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Israel's 120-Seat Forecasting Ministry

A windowless office, a serious budget, and one job: forecast Israel's 120-seat Knesset as well as it can be done.

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Thought experiment: Corn and Herman are appointed to a well-funded government body (or a foreign intelligence service) tasked with forecasting Israel's election as robustly as possible, for real and with serious budget. What would they build — which predictive modelling approaches and harnesses, LLMs or traditional methods or a composite — and if the state might have closed-source inputs, what might they be and how would they be weighted against open sources?

Israel elects 120 seats by pure proportional representation on a single national list. Nobody wins a majority, ever. So the product of any serious forecasting effort isn't "who wins" — it's a probability distribution over seats for every party, plus a separate layer for which blocs can assemble 61. The arithmetic in between is where the work lives: a 3.25% threshold worth roughly four seats, below which a party's votes simply vanish, and leftover seats allocated by Bader-Ofer in a way that favors the bigger lists.

That means a simulator has to run the actual rules in every draw — threshold, quota, Bader-Ofer, surplus-vote agreements — thousands of times, with seat counts falling out of the rules rather than being guessed. No language model touches that layer.

Polls feed it, but Israeli polls contradict each other. Weighting is proprietary, raw data is rarely published, Haredim without smartphones and Negev Bedouin are hard to reach, and the Arab sample in a typical academic wave can be tiny. The fix is house effects: model each pollster's lean and past misses in a Bayesian state-space model, with an error term correlated by bloc. Fundamentals are thin, but ballot-box-level results by locality give a government something almost nobody else has — decades of precinct history for multilevel regression and poststratification.

Language models get a seat, but a smaller one than the hype claims. A strong retrieval-augmented forecasting system scored a Brier of about 0.179 against a human crowd's 0.149, and the best model on a newer benchmark still trails superforecasters. The realistic role is a tireless junior analyst: read every outlet hourly, pull base rates, draft scenarios for humans to attack. Synthetic voters stay in the lab until they can beat a lazy baseline on a result we already know.

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  • Forecasting Research Institute Benchmarks comparing LLMs to superforecasters
  • GDELT Global database of events, language, and tone
  • Good Judgment Superforecasting research and forecasting firm
  • IARPA US intelligence research agency running forecasting tournaments
  • ICEWS DARPA-funded event forecasting dataset
  • Kalshi Regulated event contract exchange
  • Polymarket Decentralized prediction market platform
  • Stan Bayesian statistical modeling language
  • The Economist Publication where Parkinson's Law appeared
  • YouGov Pollster behind flat Earth belief survey

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#6208: Israel's 120-Seat Forecasting Ministry

Corn
A windowless office, a serious budget, and one assignment: call the Israeli election on the twenty-seventh as well as it can possibly be called. For real, with staff. That's the thought experiment Daniel set for us, and he has a head start on it, because he's already done the hobby version twice.
Herman
Part four of his Israel Votes series, where he ran three scrappy methods and then a crowd of synthetic voters. And part six, where his own small decision models went head to head with the Polymarket and Kalshi prices. Now scale that up to a government that is keenly interested in both the method and the answer. Could be Israel's own, could be a foreign service doing its own modelling.
Corn
Our building has a plaque that says Ministry of Statistics and nothing else. I like it already.
Herman
The questions are what we'd build, whether language models get a seat at all, what the non-LLM toolbox looks like, and what a state might have that nobody else does, and how much you'd trust it. We covered the general landscape of AI election prediction in an earlier episode, Bayesian models, silicon sampling, agent societies, so I'll skip the tour. This is the staffing plan.
Corn
Then start with the thing we're forecasting. I'd assumed the answer is who wins.
Herman
It isn't, and that's the first design decision. Israel elects a hundred and twenty seats by pure proportional representation, one national list. Nobody wins a majority, ever. So the product is a probability distribution over seats for every party, and over which blocs can actually assemble sixty-one. The coalition math is a separate layer on top.
Corn
Which is where I'd expect the fun to start.
Herman
It's where the arithmetic gets nasty. There's a threshold of three point two five percent, which works out to about four seats' worth of votes. In twenty twenty-two that was something like a hundred and fifty-five thousand ballots. A party under the line gets nothing, and its votes are simply gone. Meretz and Balad together wasted around two hundred and eighty-nine thousand votes that year.
Corn
So two parties at three percent each is not six percent of a bloc. It's zero.
Herman
Zero for both, or four seats for one, depending on a few thousand people. Then the leftover seats go by the Bader-Ofer method, which favours the bigger lists, and parties can sign surplus-vote agreements to pool their leftovers. This cycle Hadash-Ta'al and Ra'am signed one. But both partners still have to clear the threshold on their own, so the agreement helps the arithmetic and does nothing about survival.
Corn
Which means your simulator can't just add up vote shares. It has to run the actual rules in every draw.
Herman
Every single simulated election, with the threshold, the quota, Bader-Ofer, the pairs. Thousands of draws, and the seat count falls out of the rules instead of being guessed. That's piece one, and it's completely boring and completely essential. No language model touches it.
Corn
Polls feed that, presumably. I'll note Daniel's line from earlier episodes, that Israeli polls often contradict each other in the same week.
Herman
They do, and there are reasons. Weighting is mostly proprietary, the raw data is rarely published. Haredim without smartphones and Negev Bedouin are hard to reach, so United Torah Judaism and Ra'am tend to be undercounted. The Channel Twelve margin of error, four point four percent, is about five seats. And the Arab sample in a typical academic wave can be tiny. The Israeli Democracy Institute's August wave had a hundred and fifty Arabic interviews inside seven hundred and fifty-five total.
Corn
A hundred and fifty people standing in for a fifth of the country.
Herman
And a party near the line. Then there's a directional claim, which I'd label as blog-grade, that polls have been low on the right by around five seats on average across recent cycles. Princeton's election consortium made a related point about twenty twenty-two, that Likud beat its polls by nine seats but the whole coalition by only three, roughly one standard deviation. I wouldn't bet the ministry on those numbers. I would build a model that assumes the bias exists and learns its size.
Corn
Also, the polls go dark right when you most want them. Four days before the vote, no publication.
Herman
Which, if I'm counting right, starts about now for a Tuesday election. So your last clean look is stale on the day.
Corn
Then the office I'd build is mostly a poll-cleaning operation. You take twenty contradictory polls and ask which of them is lying and in which direction.
Herman
House effects, yes. You model each pollster's lean, its past misses, its sample design, and you pool in a Bayesian state-space model. This is the lineage of the Linzer model from the early twenty-tens, and the Economist's presidential model built on it, in Stan, with the code public on GitHub. A prior from fundamentals, then polls pulling it around, with extra variance for error that sampling can't explain. For Israel I'd want the error term correlated by bloc, because if the polls miss the Haredim, they miss every Haredi party at once.
Corn
Fine, but you said a fundamentals prior. What are the fundamentals in a country that's had five elections in a few years? Economy plus...?
Herman
Honestly, thin. Past results by locality, which is great data because Israel publishes ballot-box-level results. Demographics. Turnout history by sector. That's actually the richest thing a government can have, a precinct-level map with decades of history. You can do multilevel regression and poststratification, MRP, on top of it. The British pollster YouGov claims its twenty seventeen MRP called ninety-three percent of seats and the hung parliament, and that its twenty nineteen one was, in its own words, some way off. It's a vendor's own figures, but it shows the technique works when the poll sample is big and fails when it isn't.
Corn
A hundred and fifty Arabic interviews being exactly the sample that isn't.
Herman
So for the Arab sector, you'd stop leaning on surveys altogether. Turnout there swings enormously, and the Arab parties' threshold risk is the single biggest wild card. I'd use past turnout by town, plus a count of, say, local mobilisation signals, and I'd treat it as its own sub-model.
Corn
I notice you keep saying we, as though you've been hired.
Herman
I was a pediatrician, Corn. I've read the Stan documentation. I'm qualified for anything.
Corn
Between you and the plaque, we're basically a ministry.
Herman
Next layer is the ones who aren't polls at all. Event data like GDELT and ICEWS, which code news into sender, receiver, action, time. ICEWS was DARPA-funded to forecast instability six to twenty-four months out, and the vendors claim accuracy above eighty percent. That's built for civil unrest and conflict, though, and for local politics the machine coding loses too much. I'd use it as a context feature, a war-and-escalation index, and not much else.
Corn
And the markets. That's Daniel's part six.
Herman
Prediction markets are the cheapest strong signal you can buy. Polymarket and Kalshi have thin Israeli markets, which makes them noisy, but they're a different kind of information from a poll. Somebody is betting money on whether a party clears the line. I'd treat the price as another forecaster, with a track record that's learned, not assumed.
Corn
And you'd hire people to bet.
Herman
Both. A panel of human forecasters, trained, scored, kept on tight feedback. The intelligence community has run exactly that for years. IARPA's aggregative contingent estimation tournament in the twenty-tens produced the idea that aggregated forecasters, properly weighted, beat the experts. Then a follow-on called Hybrid Forecasting Competition, run around twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, paired machine forecasts with human ones, and IARPA claims a ten percent accuracy gain over a human-only baseline. The University of Southern California team found that people shown a machine's forecast did better than people shown only history.
Corn
I want to push on one thing I've heard for years, which is that superforecasters beat intelligence analysts with classified access by thirty percent.
Herman
That one comes with an asterisk. It started in a Washington Post column in twenty thirteen. And the people at Good Judgment themselves say the study behind it compared the broader pool, regular plus super forecasters, not superforecasters alone, and didn't have the data for a straight analyst-versus-superforecaster comparison. I haven't seen the original paper, so I'd hold it loosely.
Corn
Hold it loosely and put it in the pitch deck.
Herman
There's also a counterweight. A study of fifteen hundred Canadian strategic-intelligence forecasts over about six years found the analysts were well calibrated, if anything underconfident, which the authors tie to accountability pressure. Nobody wants to be the person who said ninety percent. So "the experts are bad" isn't a clean story. I'd hire analysts, and I'd score them like everyone else.
Corn
Let's say we have the staff, the pollster cleaners, the simulator, the precinct map, the forecasters. Where do the language models sit? Daniel's synthetic voters were a hobby thing, but you can't tell me a government with an inference budget leaves them in the cupboard.
Herman
They get a seat. It's a smaller seat than the hype says. Take the best-known test of a retrieval-augmented forecasting system: its Brier score was about zero point one seven nine, and the human crowd's was zero point one four nine. Lower is better, and a coin flip scores zero point two five. So a strong LLM system was behind the crowd. It beat the crowd only in a selective setting. And a more recent benchmark from the Forecasting Research Institute has the best model at around zero point one oh two, with superforecasters still first by roughly zero point oh one seven. Their extrapolation has parity around November of this year, with an interval that runs from January to a year from now.
Corn
November, so about when we'd be grading ourselves.
Herman
Funny, yes. The people who run the benchmark warn the linear extrapolation might break, and Good Judgment thinks their client work points to a slower timeline. I wouldn't plan around the line.
Corn
So what do I get from a model that's close to the crowd but not quite?
Herman
A tireless junior analyst. Read every Hebrew, Arabic and Russian outlet each hour and flag what moved. Pull base rates, say, how often has a party polling three percent a month out actually cleared the threshold. Draft scenarios the humans then attack. And an ensemble of several different models, trimmed mean, which does much better than any one on its own. One study had twelve models averaged against nine hundred and twenty-five human forecasters and couldn't tell them apart, though the question set was small.
Corn
And the synthetic voters? Daniel's part four.
Herman
This is where I'd be most skeptical. Silicon sampling, you prompt a model to play a voter with a given age, sector, politics, and ask how they'd vote. The published work finds the answers are narrower than real people's, and the models' opinions cluster toward young, liberal, Western views. A recent preprint finds the spread across demographic groups survives far better for Western countries, and that alignment fine-tuning widened the gap. I haven't seen anything on Hebrew or Arabic Israeli electorates specifically, and that's the exact place where a Haredi voter in Bnei Brak and a Bedouin voter near Rahat are unlike anything the model was trained to imitate.
Corn
So I'd put them in the lab, not on the front line.
Herman
Put them in a back-test. Run the synthetic population against the twenty twenty-two election, see how it scores, then decide its weight. If it can't beat a lazy baseline on a result we already know, it gets a small weight, and you move on. I'd do the same with Daniel's three hobby methods, honestly. They're good enough to be members of the ensemble, if they earn it.
Corn
I notice the weight is carrying a lot of this plan.
Herman
It is. What do you think, Corn, with an unlimited inference budget, do you still skip the LLM for the final call?
Corn
I'd let it write the memo. I wouldn't let it sign it.
Herman
That's roughly how I'd split it. Language for reading and drafting, statistics for the number.
Corn
Well, before we get into the forecast, Desmond has something for us.
Desmond
Desmond's Money Tip. Boil exactly one cup of water, measured, never a full kettle. A full kettle wastes about forty percent of its energy, which is roughly twenty pounds a year, or two thousand pounds across a working life, and that is one modest holiday you will never take.
Desmond
I measure mine into a chipped mug each morning and I think about that holiday. Money is mostly just the slow tally of things you did not do.
Herman
Corn, you're writing that down. I can see the pen, and you don't own a kettle.
Corn
I'm thinking about the holiday.
Herman
The forecast, then. Layer three is the one Daniel specifically wanted, the closed-source question. If the state might have information the rest of us don't, what is it, and how much do you trust it?
Corn
Say "might". I'd rather we didn't claim to know what a ministry has in its basement.
Herman
Agreed, and the line I'd draw is between what's documented in public cases and what's guesswork. Documented first. For decades the intelligence world has said most of what it needs comes from open sources. Allen Dulles told the Senate in nineteen forty-seven that overt sources would supply over eighty percent of the information needed. People quote ninety, but that figure comes from a later interview with an author, not from Dulles, and a CIA-hosted document says surveys of the question run anywhere from thirty-five to ninety-five percent.
Corn
So the secret layer is the cherry. A smaller one than the movies suggest.
Herman
On an election it's smaller still, and here's my reading, labelled as my reading. The famous cases of secret political information are about campaign data leaking, not about getting a better forecast. The Mueller report says Paul Manafort briefed Konstantin Kilimnik on internal campaign data and battleground states in twenty sixteen. Mueller couldn't establish what the data was for or where it went. The Treasury later said Kilimnik passed Russian intelligence sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy, which he denies. That's secondhand coverage for me, I haven't read the report text.
Corn
And Israel has its own version.
Herman
Several, none of them proving anything about forecasting. In twenty nineteen Channel Twelve reported that Benny Gantz's phone had been hacked, allegedly by Iran. Gantz confirmed a hack, not who did it, and the phone reportedly held nothing classified. In twenty twenty, an app called Elector, run for the Likud, exposed the registry data of roughly six and a half million Israeli voters, including volunteer annotations, because a journalist found the data sitting in the page source. Nobody knows who downloaded it. And a persona called Handala, which analysts link to Iran, keeps leaking old and not-so-old material about officials and politicians, mostly as psychological pressure.
Corn
So the leaky layer is the campaign's own data. The voter file, the phones.
Herman
Which tells you what the valuable closed material would be. An individual-level voter file with party annotations. A campaign's internal polling and its targeting. Phone and message metadata for the party leaders, which is where you'd learn about deals and about who is about to drop out. And commercially available data, location and app data, that intelligence agencies have openly said they buy. A declassified advisory report from the Director of National Intelligence's office in twenty twenty-two says the community buys it and doesn't know how much.
Corn
Notice what's not on your list, which is a better poll.
Herman
That's the point. A campaign's secret poll is one more poll, with its own house effect and its own agenda. If it was taken by a team that wanted to see a certain result, it's worse than the public ones. I'd weigh it like any other poll, which is to say by track record.
Corn
Then the part I find more plausible is the deals. Who's quitting the race, who's merging lists at midnight on the deadline. That's cheap for a campaign to know and expensive for an outsider.
Herman
That's a guess, but I think it's a decent one. Whether a party clears the threshold depends on a merger signed in a back room. If your services can see that sooner, you gain real information about the one place the model is most uncertain. That's a feature the model can use, a flag that says merger probable.
Corn
And how does the weighting actually work? Someone sitting in the ministry has a secret and a poll and has to combine them.
Herman
Two separate things, and the intelligence world is good at the first. Source grading. The Admiralty system, NATO uses a version: a letter for how reliable the source has been, A through E, F if you can't judge, and a number for how credible this particular piece of information is, one to five, six if you can't judge. They're graded independently, so a reliable source can give you a doubtful report. I haven't seen the doctrine text itself, it's not public.
Corn
Letter for the source, number for the claim.
Herman
Then the second part, the one nobody does cleanly, is turning the grade into a weight. My answer would be to treat each closed source as a feature in the model and learn its weight from back-testing against past elections. If it can't be back-tested, it gets a wide prior and a small weight, and it's capped.
Corn
Capped because secrets feel more important than they are.
Herman
Because there's a history of that going wrong. Yom Kippur nineteen seventy-three: the warnings from the source Ashraf Marwan were discounted by a conception that Egypt was bluffing, and a December post-mortem I've seen quoted concluded the evidence was plentiful and the failure was one of judgment, not collection. I'm reaching into opinion pieces there, so treat the details as soft. And Curveball, the Iraq weapons source, pushed forward without being checked. Two ways to be wrong, ignoring the secret and worshipping it.
Corn
Which, for an election, is a funny risk. You'd be embarrassed to lose to a news conference.
Herman
You'd lose to the ballot box, Corn. That's the humbling thing about this job.
Corn
I'd take the plaque and keep the humility.
Herman
There's one more input I'd flag, and it cuts the other way. Israel's security service chief has reportedly told officials that Iran is the main threat to this vote, with Russia and China-linked actors possible, and that the aim is to deepen divisions, not to elect a side. That's from media reports, I haven't seen a primary document. If a foreign body is also trying to push opinion, the forecasting office has to treat influence activity as a variable. Your own measurements of public opinion may be contaminated by the thing you're studying.
Corn
And in our slightly shady scenario, the people who collect and the people who forecast should probably not share a canteen.
Herman
They shouldn't share a database. The moment the forecasters know what the collectors would like to be true, the number starts to lean.
Corn
Now the aggregation. You've got a stack of models, a stack of humans, a stack of weights. How do you make one number?
Herman
In log-odds. Convert each forecaster's probability into log-odds, average them with weights, convert back. Then, and this is the odd part, push the result away from fifty percent. It's called extremizing, from a twenty fourteen paper by Satopää and colleagues, using thirteen hundred forecasters across sixty-nine geopolitical events. The reason is that forecasters hold partly different information. If five independent people each say seventy percent, the combined evidence is stronger than seventy. The criticism is that the push factor can be fit in hindsight, so you'd fix it before the season starts and not tune it afterwards.
Corn
And how do you tell the minister? Ministers don't read log-odds.
Herman
There's an actual standard for it, Intelligence Community Directive two oh three. Analysts must use set words for likelihood, tied to bands. Almost no chance is one to five percent. Very unlikely, five to twenty. Unlikely, twenty to forty-five. Roughly even, forty-five to fifty-five. Likely, fifty-five to eighty. Very likely, eighty to ninety-five. Almost certain, ninety-five to ninety-nine. It also says likelihood and confidence can't share a sentence, so you can't write "probably, with moderate confidence". And it requires saying how good the sources are and running an alternatives analysis.
Corn
So the minister gets "likely" and the file gets sixty-eight percent.
Herman
Both, and I'd print the number next to the word every time. Because otherwise "likely" means sixty to one person and eighty to another. Corn, would you want the number on the page, or does it let the minister blame you?
Corn
It lets me blame the number. I'm in favour.
Hilbert
...so the man in Faro charged four hundred and twenty escudos, I gave him a five hundred note, and he is still holding my eighty. That's what I think about. The forecast was fine. He counted the umbrellas in the stand by the lobby door, blue against black, and called the council vote for the blues by three. They won by three. That was ninety-seven. He wrote it on a tram ticket, because a pen doesn't sit right in my claws and he offered. I bought the stand off the hotel for the same price. It's eleven feet tall. It's at my mother's, in the yard, because it doesn't go through a door.
Herman
A count taken at the door on the day is at least a measurement. A lot of poll weighting I've read about is less transparent than that.
Corn
Rain would wreck it. Anyone with an umbrella takes it out of the stand.
Hilbert
Rain weeks he counted the hooks. Herman, one thing from earlier. Dulles said the eighty percent to the Armed Services Committee. Not the Senate.
Herman
Committee, yes. It changes nothing about the eighty, but I take it. And if the man in Faro did every council election, you'd have a track record you could score, which is the one thing a stranger's tram ticket can't give you the first time.
Hilbert
Fourteen is what he told me. I only know the one. I'd have to go back for the eighty first.
Corn
So the last thing is how this body gets judged. I've been enjoying the plaque too much to notice the plan has no way of saying we were wrong.
Herman
It needs one on the first day. Every forecast gets written down before the election, with a probability, in a form that can be scored. The standard is the Brier score, the squared gap between the probability you gave and what happened, one for yes and zero for no. Zero is perfect, and zero point two five is what you'd get by saying fifty percent about everything. I'd score the body on dozens of quantities, not a seat total. Does each party in the borderline set clear the line, which blocs reach sixty-one, what the Arab turnout is, whether a merger happens.
Corn
Because one election is one data point.
Herman
One election will always make someone look brilliant or foolish. Four borderline parties and two blocs gives you at least a handful of resolved questions, and the calibration curve tells you whether your sixty-percent calls come true six times in ten. The thing I'd hang on the wall is that, not the seat count.
Corn
If the thing that matters is a few thousand ballots and a merger signed at midnight, I'd say the forecast for most parties near the line is "unknown, here's the range". A ministry that publishes that, and gets scored for it, has done the job.
Herman
And a ministry that learns who owes it eighty escudos.
Corn
One idea to keep: the secret layer is a small input, and the discipline is the scoring. Everything else, the models, the markets, the language models, is only as good as what it's been graded against.
Herman
And that means the first deliverable of the whole operation isn't a forecast. It's the ledger. The records that let you say, next time, how much to trust the umbrella count and how much to trust the cabinet minister's cousin.
Corn
Thank you to our producer Hilbert Flumingtop for keeping the desk upright, and for the recording.
Herman
This has been My Weird Prompts. You can find every episode at my weird prompts dot com.
Corn
See you tomorrow.

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