Episode #381

The Invisible Hack: The Rise of Zero-Click Exploits

Imagine getting hacked without ever clicking a link. Herman and Corn explore the terrifying world of zero-click exploits and Pegasus spyware.

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In the traditional world of cybersecurity, the user has long been considered the "weakest link." For decades, security experts have focused on training individuals to spot phishing attempts, avoid suspicious attachments, and verify the identity of senders. The logic was simple: an attacker needed an invitation to enter your digital life. However, as Herman Poppleberry and Corn discuss in their latest episode, a new and far more sinister paradigm has emerged that removes the human element entirely: the zero-click exploit.

The Evolution of the Digital Vampire

Herman uses a vivid analogy to describe this shift. If a traditional "one-click" exploit is like a vampire that must be invited across the threshold of your home, a zero-click exploit is a vampire that can simply walk through the walls. This is a fundamental change in how we perceive mobile security. In a zero-click scenario, a victim can have their phone sitting untouched on a table and still fall victim to a total device compromise. There is no suspicious link to click and no "shady" app to download. The attack happens silently, in the background, often triggered by the mere receipt of a message or notification.

The Technical Mechanics: Parsing and Memory Corruption

The core of the discussion centers on how our devices process incoming information. Every time a smartphone receives a text, an image, or a WhatsApp message, the operating system must "parse" that data. This means the software looks at the incoming code to determine what it is and how to display it.

Herman explains that the vulnerability lives within this parsing process. Attackers craft highly specific, malformed pieces of data—often hidden within an image or a PDF—that trick the phone’s memory. By exploiting a "memory corruption" issue, the attacker can force the phone to overflow its buffer and start executing a different set of commands. Essentially, the phone is tricked into hacking itself before the user even has a chance to see that a message has arrived.

Legacy Code: The "Dusty Corners" of Technology

One of the most fascinating insights from the episode is the role of legacy code in modern attacks. Corn and Herman highlight the "FORCEDENTRY" exploit used to deliver the infamous Pegasus spyware. This exploit targeted a very old and obscure image compression standard from the 1990s called JBIG2.

Despite being decades old, the code for JBIG2 was still supported by modern operating systems for compatibility reasons. Attackers realized they could use this "dusty corner" of the software to build a virtual computer inside the phone's memory, effectively bypassing all modern security protections. This highlights a persistent problem in tech: our cutting-edge devices are often built upon a massive pile of legacy systems, each representing a potential doorway for a sophisticated attacker.

The Business of State-Grade Cyber-Weapons

The conversation then shifts to the "who" and "why" behind these attacks. Zero-click exploits are not the work of amateur hackers; they are state-grade cyber-weapons. Developing a reliable zero-click exploit requires millions of dollars in resources and teams of elite researchers.

Companies like the NSO Group have built entire business models around finding these "zero-day" vulnerabilities—flaws that the manufacturer (like Apple or Google) doesn't even know exist yet. These exploits are then sold to governments around the world. While often marketed as tools for fighting terrorism, investigations have shown they are frequently used to target journalists, activists, and political dissidents. Herman notes that a single zero-click exploit for an iPhone can be worth millions of dollars on the private market, creating a high-stakes arms race between tech giants and private intelligence firms.

Why the Average User Should Care

A common refrain in cybersecurity is, "I’m not a high-profile target, so why should I care?" Corn and Herman argue that this is a dangerous misconception. They point to the "trickle-down" effect of malware. What is cutting-edge today—used only by nation-states—eventually becomes commonplace. Once a technique is proven effective, less sophisticated criminal organizations begin to refine and use it for financial fraud or identity theft.

Furthermore, there is the risk of collateral damage. Herman cites the "EternalBlue" exploit as a cautionary tale. Originally developed by the NSA, it was stolen and leaked, eventually powering the WannaCry ransomware attack that crippled hospitals and businesses globally. When a vulnerability exists in an app used by billions, every user is technically at risk until a patch is issued.

The Nuclear Option: Lockdown Mode

To conclude the discussion, the hosts look at modern defenses, specifically Apple’s "Lockdown Mode." This feature is described as a "nuclear option" for security. It works by drastically reducing the "attack surface" of the device. It blocks most message attachments, disables link previews, and turns off complex web technologies that are commonly exploited.

While Lockdown Mode makes a phone less "fun" and more restricted, it serves a vital purpose for those at high risk. By making the cost of an attack—both in terms of money and the risk of the exploit being detected and patched—prohibitively high, it shifts the balance back toward the defender.

Final Takeaways

The episode serves as a sobering reminder that in the digital age, silence does not equal safety. As zero-click exploits continue to evolve, the definition of "being careful" must change. It is no longer just about what we click; it is about the inherent vulnerabilities within the complex systems we carry in our pockets every day. The battle for digital privacy is no longer just a human struggle against deception, but a technical struggle against the very way our devices communicate with the world.

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Episode #381: The Invisible Hack: The Rise of Zero-Click Exploits

Corn
Imagine you are sitting at home, your phone is on the table, and you are not even touching it. It is Friday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty-six. You have not clicked any suspicious links, you have not opened any strange emails, and you certainly have not downloaded any shady apps. But as you sit there, someone thousands of miles away is currently scrolling through your photos, reading your encrypted messages, and even listening to you through your own microphone. It sounds like something out of a spy novel, but for many people around the world, this is a very real and terrifying reality.
Herman
It really is the ultimate nightmare scenario for anyone who cares about privacy, Corn. I am Herman Poppleberry, and today we are diving into one of the most sophisticated and unsettling topics in the world of cybersecurity. Our housemate Daniel sent us a voice note about this earlier today, and it really got us thinking about the shift from traditional hacking to these silent, invisible attacks.
Corn
Yeah, Daniel was asking about the human element, right? We often talk about how the person using the device is the weakest link. You know, the one who clicks the link they should not have. But what happens when you remove the human from the equation entirely? Today we are talking about zero-click exploits.
Herman
That is the crucial distinction. In the industry, we have spent decades training people to be vigilant. Do not click that link. Check the sender's email address. Look for the padlock icon. All of that advice is based on the idea of a one-click exploit, where the attacker needs the victim to perform some kind of action to let them in. It is like a vampire that needs to be invited across the threshold. But a zero-click exploit? That is a vampire that can just walk through the wall.
Corn
It is a complete paradigm shift. And when we talk about this, the name that always comes up is the NSO Group and their Pegasus spyware. We have seen reports about this for years now, but I think the sheer technical brilliance, and the sheer malice, behind how it works is still hard for most people to wrap their heads around.
Herman
It really is. To understand why zero-click exploits are so effective, you have to look at how our phones actually process information. Every time you receive a text message, or a WhatsApp notification, or even an image file, your phone has to do something called parsing. Basically, the operating system or the app has to look at that data and figure out what it is so it can show it to you.
Corn
Right, so even before I see the notification on my screen, the phone has already started processing that incoming data.
Herman
Exactly. And that is where the vulnerability lives. If an attacker can craft a very specific, very malformed piece of data, they can trick the software that is doing the parsing. It is often a memory corruption issue. They send a message that says, hey, here is a tiny image file, but the file actually contains instructions that tell the phone's memory to overflow and start executing a different set of commands.
Corn
So the phone is essentially hacking itself before the user even knows a message has arrived?
Herman
In many cases, yes. With some of the most famous Pegasus attacks, the victim would receive a message through iMessage or WhatsApp, and the exploit would trigger immediately. The attacker could even set it up so the message would delete itself right after the infection. The user would never see a notification, never see a message, and never have any reason to suspect their device had been compromised.
Corn
That is what makes it so different from the stuff we usually talk about. Most cybersecurity is built on layers of defense, but if the very first layer, the way the device handles incoming data, is compromised, everything else can fall like a house of cards.
Herman
It is incredibly difficult to defend against because it targets the core functionality of the device. You cannot just tell people to stop receiving messages. That is the whole point of a phone.
Corn
I remember reading about the FORCEDENTRY exploit that was used to deliver Pegasus. That one was particularly wild because it used a vulnerability in how Apple's systems processed PDF files and images.
Herman
Oh, that was a masterpiece of dark engineering. They used a very old, very obscure image compression standard from the nineteen-nineties called JBIG2. Most people have never even heard of it, but it was still supported by the system for compatibility reasons. The attackers realized they could use that old code to build a virtual computer inside the phone's memory and then use that virtual computer to bypass all the modern security protections.
Corn
It is amazing how these old, dusty corners of code can become the biggest vulnerabilities. We always think of technology as being this cutting-edge thing, but it is really a massive pile of legacy systems stacked on top of each other.
Herman
That is exactly right. And because modern smartphones are so complex, the attack surface is just enormous. Think about how many different types of files your phone can open. How many different protocols it uses to talk to the internet. Every single one of those is a potential doorway for a zero-click exploit.
Corn
So, if these attacks are so sophisticated and so hard to detect, who is actually using them? Because this does not sound like the kind of thing your average script kiddie is pulling off in their basement.
Herman
No, not at all. These are what we call state-grade cyber-weapons. Developing a reliable zero-click exploit requires a level of expertise and resources that very few organizations possess. We are talking about teams of elite researchers working for months or years to find a single vulnerability.
Corn
And then they sell that vulnerability to companies like the NSO Group, or they are developed by companies like that directly.
Herman
Right. And companies like NSO Group then sell the finished product, the spyware like Pegasus, to governments around the world. They claim it is for fighting terrorism and serious crime, but as we have seen from numerous investigations, it is frequently used to target journalists, human rights activists, and political opponents.
Corn
This brings up a really interesting point about the business of zero-day vulnerabilities. For those who might not be familiar with the term, a zero-day is a vulnerability that the software manufacturer, like Apple or Google, does not know about yet. So they have had zero days to fix it.
Herman
And the market for these is absolutely massive. A reliable zero-click, zero-day exploit for an iPhone can be worth millions of dollars on the private market. There are literally companies whose entire business model is finding these holes and selling them to the highest bidder, which is usually a government agency.
Corn
It is a literal arms race. On one side, you have the tech giants like Apple and Google who are trying to make their devices as secure as possible. They have some of the best security engineers in the world. And on the other side, you have these private companies and state actors who are incentivized to find the one tiny crack in the armor.
Herman
And the scary thing is that the attackers only have to be right once. The defenders have to be right every single time, across millions of lines of code.
Corn
I think a lot of people listening might be thinking, okay, this sounds bad, but I am not a head of state. I am not a famous journalist. Why should I care about zero-click exploits? Is this something that could actually affect the average person?
Herman
That is a great question, and it is something we should really dig into. While it is true that these specific, multi-million dollar exploits are currently used for highly targeted attacks, the history of technology shows us that what is cutting-edge today becomes commonplace tomorrow.
Corn
Right, the "trickle-down" effect of malware.
Herman
Exactly. Once a certain type of attack is proven to work, other groups start looking for similar vulnerabilities. The techniques get refined, the tools get easier to use, and eventually, you start seeing these kinds of exploits being used by less sophisticated criminal organizations for things like identity theft or financial fraud.
Corn
Plus, there is the issue of collateral damage. If a government uses a zero-click exploit to target one person, but that exploit relies on a flaw in an app that billions of people use, then every single person using that app is technically at risk until the flaw is patched.
Herman
And we have seen cases where these tools leak. Remember the EternalBlue exploit? That was a tool developed by the National Security Agency in the United States. It was stolen and leaked by a group called the Shadow Brokers, and then it was used to power the WannaCry ransomware attack that crippled hospitals and businesses all over the world.
Corn
That is a perfect example. A state-level weapon became a global epidemic almost overnight. So, even if you are not a high-profile target, the existence of these vulnerabilities makes the entire digital ecosystem less safe for everyone.
Herman
It also changes how we have to think about trust. If you can be hacked just by receiving a message, even if you do not open it, how can you ever really trust that your device is secure?
Corn
It really undermines the whole idea of end-to-end encryption, too. I mean, WhatsApp and iMessage are encrypted, which is great for preventing people from intercepting your messages while they are in transit. But if the attacker can just take over the device itself, the encryption does not matter because they are reading the messages right off the screen.
Herman
That is the big misconception. People think encryption is a magic shield. But encryption only protects the data while it is moving. Once it lands on your phone and gets decrypted so you can read it, it is vulnerable if the phone's operating system has been compromised.
Corn
So, let's talk about what can actually be done. If the human element is bypassed, what are the technical defenses? I know Apple introduced something called Lockdown Mode recently. Is that a response to this?
Herman
It is a direct response to the Pegasus and zero-click threat. Lockdown Mode is basically a nuclear option for your phone's security. When you turn it on, it drastically reduces the attack surface by disabling a lot of the features that are commonly exploited.
Corn
Like what? What does it actually turn off?
Herman
It blocks most message attachment types other than images. It disables link previews. It turns off certain complex web technologies that can be used for attacks. It even blocks incoming FaceTime calls from people you have not called before. It basically turns your high-tech, do-everything smartphone into a much simpler, much more restricted device.
Corn
It sounds like it makes the phone a lot less fun to use.
Herman
It definitely does. It is not something the average person would want to have on all the time. But for someone like a journalist working in a hostile environment, or a political dissident, the trade-off is worth it. It is about making the cost of an attack so high that it is no longer worth it for the attacker.
Corn
I think that is a key concept in security—increasing the cost of the attack. You can never make anything one hundred percent secure, but you can make it so difficult and so expensive to hack you that most attackers will just give up and look for an easier target.
Herman
Right. And it is not just about the cost in money, but also the cost in terms of burning their assets. If an attacker uses a multi-million dollar zero-click exploit and it gets detected because the target was using Lockdown Mode, that exploit is now useless. The manufacturer will patch it, and the attacker has just lost their very expensive tool.
Corn
That is why these groups are so careful about who they target. They do not want to use their best stuff on someone who might be looking for it.
Herman
Exactly. It is a game of shadows. But there are things that even non-high-profile people can do to protect themselves, and I think we should go over those. It is not just about Lockdown Mode.
Corn
Well, the most obvious one, and we say this all the time, is updates. But in the context of zero-click exploits, updates are even more critical, right?
Herman
They are the absolute most important thing. When a company like Apple or Google finds out about one of these flaws, they race to patch it. If you are running an old version of your operating system, you are essentially leaving your front door unlocked. Many of the most famous Pegasus attacks relied on vulnerabilities that had already been patched in newer versions of the software.
Corn
So, if you get that notification that an update is available, do not hit "remind me later" for three weeks. Do it now.
Herman
Do it immediately. Another thing is to be mindful of the apps you use. Some apps are more secure than others. Apps like Signal, for example, have a very strong focus on security and a smaller attack surface than something like Facebook Messenger.
Corn
And what about the idea of "rebooting" your phone? I have heard that some of these exploits are not persistent, meaning they disappear if the phone is turned off and on again.
Herman
That is actually true for a lot of modern mobile malware. Because of the way iPhones and Android phones are designed, it is very hard for a piece of malware to "stay" on the device after a reboot without being detected. So, many attackers choose to keep the malware in the phone's temporary memory.
Corn
So, simply turning your phone off and on once a day could actually kick out an attacker?
Herman
It might not prevent the initial infection, but it can limit how long they have access. It forces them to re-infect the device, which increases the chance that they will be caught. It is a simple habit that can actually make a big difference.
Corn
It is interesting how such a low-tech solution can help against such a high-tech attack. What about hardware? We have talked in the past about things like the PinePhone or other privacy-focused hardware. Do they offer any protection against zero-click attacks?
Herman
They can, primarily because they are less common. Attackers focus their resources on the systems that most people use, like iOS and Android. If you are using a niche operating system, you are a much less attractive target because the exploit someone developed for an iPhone will not work on your device.
Corn
Security through obscurity?
Herman
To some extent, yes. But also, some of those devices have physical kill switches for things like the microphone and camera. Even if someone hacks the software, they cannot turn on the microphone if you have physically disconnected it with a switch.
Corn
That is the ultimate peace of mind, I guess. But for most of us, that is not really practical. We are stuck with our iPhones and our Pixels.
Herman
And for the vast majority of people, those devices are incredibly secure. We should not lose sight of that. The reason these zero-click exploits are so expensive and so rare is because the baseline security of our phones is actually very good.
Corn
That is a fair point. We are talking about the extreme edge cases here. But it is important to understand those edge cases because they show us where the vulnerabilities are.
Herman
It also highlights the importance of the work being done by security researchers. Groups like Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto have done incredible work in uncovering these attacks and holding companies like NSO Group accountable.
Corn
They are like the investigative journalists of the digital world. They find the evidence of these attacks, they reverse-engineer them, and they let the world know what is happening. Without them, we would be completely in the dark about most of this.
Herman
I think this also brings up a bigger conversation about regulation. Should companies be allowed to sell these kinds of cyber-weapons? And what kind of oversight should there be for the governments that buy them?
Corn
That is a massive question. We have seen some movement on that front recently. The United States government, for example, put NSO Group on a blacklist, which makes it much harder for them to do business with American companies.
Herman
And there is ongoing litigation. Apple and WhatsApp have both sued NSO Group for exploiting their platforms. It is a sign that the tech giants are starting to fight back against the companies that are undermining their security.
Corn
It is a weird situation where the tech companies are essentially acting as a form of global governance because they are the only ones with the power to actually push back against these actors.
Herman
It really is. When Apple releases a security update, they are protecting millions of people all over the world, regardless of what country they live in or what government they are under. In a way, they are providing a form of digital sovereignty.
Corn
But that also gives them an incredible amount of power. We are essentially trusting these massive corporations to be the guardians of our privacy.
Herman
And that is a whole other episode, Corn. But for today, I think the main takeaway for our listeners is that while zero-click exploits are a serious and growing threat, they are not something to be paralyzed by.
Corn
Right. It is about being aware, staying updated, and understanding the risks. If you are someone who might be a high-profile target, take the extra steps. Use Lockdown Mode. Be careful about what apps you use. And for everyone else, just keep those devices updated and maybe give them a reboot every now and then.
Herman
Exactly. Knowledge is the first step in defense. The more we understand how these things work, the better prepared we are to deal with them.
Corn
I also think it is worth mentioning that even though the human element is bypassed in the exploit itself, it is still very much a human problem. These tools are created by humans, used by humans, and targeted at humans.
Herman
That is a profound point. The technology is just a tool. The real issue is the intent behind it. And that is why the work of activists and researchers is so important—to shine a light on that intent and demand accountability.
Corn
We have covered a lot of ground today, from the technical details of memory corruption to the global politics of cyber-warfare. It is a lot to take in.
Herman
It really is. But I think it is one of the most important conversations we can have right now. Our digital lives are becoming more and more integrated with our physical lives, and the security of one is inseparable from the security of the other.
Corn
Well, before we wrap up, I want to remind everyone that if you are finding these deep dives helpful, please take a moment to leave us a review on your podcast app or on Spotify. It really helps the show reach more people who might be interested in these topics.
Herman
Yeah, we genuinely appreciate the support. It is what keeps us going. And if you have questions or topics you want us to explore, you can always get in touch through our website at myweirdprompts dot com. We have a contact form there, and you can also find the RSS feed for the show.
Corn
And a big thanks to our housemate Daniel for sending in this prompt. It was a great one to dig into.
Herman
Definitely. He always keeps us on our toes.
Corn
So, what is the final thought for today, Herman? If you had to summarize the state of zero-click exploits in twenty twenty-six, what would it be?
Herman
I would say that we are in a period of intense transition. The old rules of cybersecurity are being rewritten. We can no longer rely solely on user education. We need more robust, automated defenses that are built into the core of our devices. The age of the invisible attack is here, but so is the age of the invisible defense.
Corn
I like that. The invisible defense. It is a constant battle, but it is one that we are all a part of, whether we realize it or not.
Herman
Precisely. Every time you update your phone, you are participating in that defense. You are making it just a little bit harder for the bad guys to win.
Corn
Well, I think that is a good place to leave it for today. This has been My Weird Prompts. I am Corn.
Herman
And I am Herman Poppleberry.
Corn
Thanks for listening, everyone. We will see you in the next one.
Herman
Stay safe out there, and keep those phones updated!
Corn
You know, it is funny, after talking about this, I kind of want to just go and reboot my phone right now.
Herman
Honestly, me too. I think I will do it as soon as we stop recording. It is just good hygiene.
Corn
It is like washing your hands, but for your digital life.
Herman
Exactly. A little bit of prevention goes a long way.
Corn
I wonder what Daniel is going to send us next. He has been on a real security kick lately.
Herman
Maybe something about biometrics? Or the future of decentralized identity? There is so much happening in that space right now.
Corn
Whatever it is, I am sure it will be interesting. He has a knack for finding the stuff that is just below the surface of the mainstream news.
Herman
That is why we live with him, Corn. He keeps the intellectual environment in the house very lively.
Corn
That he does. Alright, let's head out. I think I hear the kettle whistling in the kitchen anyway.
Herman
Tea and a phone reboot. Sounds like a perfect afternoon.
Corn
Agreed. Thanks again for listening, everyone. We will catch you next time on My Weird Prompts.
Herman
Goodbye for now!
Corn
One last thing, just a reminder that you can find all our past episodes and a lot of other resources on the website. If you want to dive deeper into any of the topics we have discussed, that is the best place to start.
Herman
Right, and the archive is fully searchable, so you can find exactly what you are looking for.
Corn
Perfect. Alright, now we are really going.
Herman
Take care!

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.

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