Episode #408

Beyond the Burj: The Future of Kilometer-High Towers

From vortex shedding to the elevator paradox, Herman and Corn explore the physical and economic limits of building the world's tallest towers.

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The modern skyline is a testament to human ambition, a jagged line of glass and steel that seems to push higher with every passing decade. In a recent discussion, hosts Herman Poppleberry and Corn explored the fascinating engineering and economic boundaries that govern these "vertical cities." Using the changing face of Jerusalem as a backdrop—where ancient stone tradition meets 21st-century verticality—the pair deconstructed why we haven’t yet reached the clouds, and what it would take to get there.

The Invisible Enemy: Wind and Resonance

One of the most profound insights shared by Herman is that the greatest threat to a skyscraper isn't gravity, but the wind. As buildings grow taller, they encounter a phenomenon known as "vortex shedding." When wind hits a massive, flat structure, it creates swirling pockets of air that can cause the building to sway rhythmically. If this swaying matches the building's natural frequency, the resulting resonance can lead to catastrophic structural failure.

Herman highlighted the case of the Citicorp Center in New York during the late 1970s. A design flaw made the building vulnerable to specific wind angles, a secret that required emergency welding in the middle of the night to prevent a potential collapse during hurricane season. To combat these forces today, architects use "aerodynamic shaping." The Burj Khalifa, for instance, uses a tapering Y-shape with staggered setbacks. This design essentially "confuses" the wind, preventing vortices from organizing into a synchronized rhythm. For additional stability, many towers employ "tuned mass dampers"—massive pendulums, like the 660-metric-ton steel ball in Taipei 101, that act as counterweights to absorb kinetic energy.

The Gravity of the Situation: The Square-Cube Law

While wind is the dynamic threat, gravity remains the constant one. Herman and Corn discussed the "square-cube law," a mathematical principle that creates a theoretical ceiling for height. As a building’s height doubles, its weight increases eightfold, while the surface area of its base only increases fourfold. In the era of masonry, this resulted in pyramid-like structures where the base had to be massive to support the peak.

To circumvent this, modern engineering has moved toward the "buttressed core." By using a central hexagonal reinforced concrete core supported by three branching wings, architects can provide lateral support while carrying massive vertical loads. However, the law of diminishing returns still applies: the higher a building goes, the more material is required at the bottom just to support the floors above, eventually leaving very little room for actual inhabitants.

The Elevator Paradox

Perhaps the most surprising bottleneck discussed was the "elevator paradox." A skyscraper is only as useful as its accessibility. As a building grows taller, the number of people inside increases, requiring more elevators. However, every elevator shaft consumes valuable floor space on every level it passes through. In a traditional design, a sufficiently tall building would eventually consist entirely of elevator shafts, leaving no "rentable" space for offices or apartments.

To solve this, engineers have implemented "sky lobbies," functioning like a vertical subway system where passengers take express shuttles to transfer points. Technological breakthroughs are also pushing these limits further. The traditional 500-meter limit for steel elevator cables—beyond which the cable becomes too heavy to support its own weight—has been shattered by innovations like "UltraRope," a carbon-fiber core technology. Looking even further ahead, Herman described maglev elevators that move both vertically and horizontally without cables, potentially allowing multiple cars to share the same shaft and reclaiming massive amounts of floor space.

The Economic Ceiling

Finally, the discussion turned from physics to finance. While most industries benefit from economies of scale, skyscrapers suffer from "diseconomies of scale." Every additional meter of height is exponentially more expensive than the last. The logistics alone are staggering; Herman noted that for the Burj Khalifa, concrete had to be pumped to extreme heights at night, mixed with ice to prevent it from setting too quickly in the heat.

Ultimately, the height of our future cities may not be limited by what we can build, but by what we can afford to sustain. As Corn and Herman concluded, the race to the kilometer-high mark is a delicate balance between material science, logistical genius, and the sheer will to overcome the natural laws of our planet. Whether the next giant rises in Israel, Saudi Arabia, or beyond, it will stand as a monument to the complex dance between ancient stone and futuristic ambition.

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Episode #408: Beyond the Burj: The Future of Kilometer-High Towers

Corn
You know, Herman, I was walking near the entrance to the city the other day, right by the Jerusalem Gateway project, and I just stopped and stared. I was looking up at those new towers they are putting up near the central bus station, and it really hit me how much the Jerusalem skyline has changed in just the last few years. It is a strange feeling, seeing these glass giants rising up in a city that is thousands of years old. It feels like the stone-clad tradition is finally meeting the twenty-first century head-on.
Herman
It is quite the contrast, isn't it? Herman Poppleberry here, by the way. And you are right, Corn, the verticality of modern cities is something we often take for granted until we really stop to look up. In Jerusalem, it is especially jarring because of the local laws requiring Jerusalem stone on the facades. You have these ultra-modern silhouettes, but they are wrapped in this ancient-looking material. It is like we are in a race to see how far we can push against gravity while still keeping one foot in the past.
Corn
Exactly. And that is actually what our housemate Daniel was asking about in the prompt he sent over today. He has been watching documentaries on the Burj Khalifa, which is just an absolute marvel of engineering, and it got him wondering about the ceiling. Not the literal ceiling of a room, but the theoretical ceiling for how high we can actually build. Is there a limit, or is it just a matter of how much money someone is willing to throw at a project? He specifically mentioned the projects here in Israel and wondered if we are headed toward our own kilometer-high tower.
Herman
That is such a great question from Daniel. It is one of those topics where the answer is a mix of hard physics, material science, and cold, hard economics. People often assume that the limit is purely about the strength of the materials, like the steel or the concrete, but as we will get into, the real bottlenecks are often much more... well, mundane is the wrong word, but they are practical issues that you might not expect. Things like how long you are willing to wait for an elevator or how much the building sways in a light breeze.
Corn
Right, because when you look at something like the Burj Khalifa, which stands at eight hundred and twenty-eight meters, it feels like we are already living in the future. But then you hear about proposals for buildings that are a kilometer tall, or even more. I mean, the Jeddah Tower in Saudi Arabia resumed construction in late 2025 after years of delays, aiming for that one thousand meter mark. So, Herman, let's start with the basics. If I want to build a tower that reaches into the clouds, what is the first physical barrier I am going to hit?
Herman
The absolute first thing, even before you worry about the weight of the building, is the wind. Most people think the biggest challenge for a skyscraper is holding itself up against gravity, but for the really tall ones, the wind is the true enemy. When wind hits a massive, flat surface, it does not just push against it. It creates these swirling pockets of air called vortices. This leads to a phenomenon called vortex shedding.
Corn
Vortex shedding, right? I remember reading about this. It is the same reason why a flag flaps in the breeze or why power lines hum during a storm.
Herman
Precisely! But when your flag is an eight hundred meter tall glass and steel structure, that flapping becomes a rhythmic swaying. If the frequency of those wind vortices matches the natural frequency of the building, you get resonance. The building starts to sway more and more violently. If you do not account for that, the structural integrity can fail. There is a famous story about the Citicorp Center in New York back in the late nineteen seventies. They discovered that the building was vulnerable to specific wind angles that could have knocked it over. They had to secretly weld heavy steel plates to the joints at night to fix it before a hurricane hit.
Corn
That is terrifying. So how did they solve that with the Burj Khalifa? Because that building is not just a straight rectangular prism. It has that very distinct, tapering, almost organic shape. It looks like a desert flower, right?
Herman
That is the secret, Corn. It is called aerodynamic shaping. The designers of the Burj Khalifa used a Y-shaped plan that tapers as it goes up. But the key is that the setbacks, those different levels where the building gets narrower, are staggered. This effectively confuses the wind. The vortices cannot organize themselves into a single, powerful rhythm because the shape of the building is constantly changing as you go higher. It breaks up the wind's ability to push the building in a synchronized way. It is essentially the architectural version of stealth technology.
Corn
It is almost like the building is camouflaged against the wind. That is fascinating. But even with that shape, those buildings still sway, right? I have heard stories of people in high-rises seeing the water in their toilets move.
Herman
Oh, absolutely. They have to sway. If a building were perfectly rigid, it would snap under the pressure like a dry twig. The goal is to control the sway so it is not uncomfortable for the occupants. This is where we get into things like tuned mass dampers. You might remember we talked about the one in Taipei one hundred and one in a previous discussion. It is that massive steel ball, weighing six hundred and sixty metric tons, suspended near the top of the tower. When the building sways one way, the ball's inertia pulls it the other way, acting as a giant counterweight to stabilize the structure. It is basically a giant pendulum that absorbs the kinetic energy of the wind.
Corn
It is wild to think that the stability of a multi-billion dollar skyscraper depends on a giant ball hanging from cables. But okay, so we have the wind figured out. What about the weight? Surely at some point, the bottom of the building just gets crushed by the weight of everything above it? I mean, the Burj Khalifa's structural weight is around five hundred thousand metric tons.
Herman
That is a very real theoretical limit known as the square-cube law. As you double the height of a building, the volume and weight increase by a factor of eight, but the surface area of the base only increases by a factor of four. If you were building with traditional stone or brick, you would reach a point where the base would have to be so wide to support the weight that the building would essentially become a mountain. Think of the Great Pyramid of Giza. It is very stable, but it is not very efficient in terms of floor space. It is mostly just a solid block of stone.
Corn
Right, you want a skyscraper, not a man-made Everest. You want usable space.
Herman
Exactly. Modern skyscrapers use high-strength reinforced concrete and steel. The Burj Khalifa used a concept called the buttressed core. Think of a central hexagonal core of reinforced concrete, and then three wings that branch out from it. These wings act like the buttresses on a gothic cathedral, providing lateral support and helping to carry the massive vertical load. But here is the catch, Corn. The higher you go, the more material you need at the bottom just to support the weight. And the more material you use for the structure, the less room you have for, you know, actual people and offices. This is the structural efficiency limit.
Corn
That brings us to the elevator problem, doesn't it? This is something I have heard you mention before. It is not just about the weight of the concrete; it is about the logistics of getting people to the top. If it takes twenty minutes to get to your office, you are not going to want to work there.
Herman
This is arguably the most significant practical limit to skyscraper height. Think about it this way. If you have a hundred floors, you need a certain number of elevators to move people efficiently. Those elevators require shafts. Those shafts take up space on every single floor they pass through. In a traditional building, the elevator shafts are like a giant hollow core eating up the most valuable real estate in the center of the building.
Corn
And if you double the height to two hundred floors, you do not just double the number of elevators. You need significantly more because the travel time is longer, and you have more people to move. It is an exponential problem.
Herman
Exactly. You reach a point of diminishing returns where the elevators take up so much of the floor plate that there is almost no usable space left for tenants. It is called the elevator paradox. To solve this, engineers use sky lobbies. You take a high-speed express elevator to the sixtieth floor, for example, and then you transfer to a local elevator that handles floors sixty through eighty. It is like a subway system but vertical. But even then, there is a limit to how many transfers people are willing to make. No one wants to spend forty minutes and three transfers just to get to their desk.
Corn
And then there is the weight of the cables themselves. For a long time, steel cables were the limiting factor, right? I remember you saying they get too heavy.
Herman
Yes. Around five hundred meters was the traditional limit for a single elevator pull. If an elevator shaft is longer than that, the steel cable becomes so heavy that it cannot even support its own weight, let alone the weight of the elevator car and the passengers. But a company called Kone developed something called UltraRope. It is a carbon fiber core with a high-friction coating. It is incredibly light and incredibly strong. That technology is what is making those one-kilometer-plus towers theoretically possible. It reduces the weight of the moving parts by about ninety percent. And now, we are even seeing the development of maglev elevators, like the ThyssenKrupp MULTI system, which doesn't use cables at all. It uses magnetic levitation to move cars both vertically and horizontally.
Corn
Wait, horizontal elevators? That sounds like something out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Herman
It really is! By removing the cables, you can have multiple cars running in the same shaft, which drastically reduces the space needed for elevators. That could potentially push the height limit much further because you are no longer losing half your floor space to empty shafts.
Corn
That is a massive jump. It is amazing how a single material innovation can move the goalposts for an entire industry. But even if we solve the wind, the weight, and the elevators, what about the cost? Daniel mentioned economies of scale, but it feels like skyscrapers are the opposite. They seem like they get exponentially more expensive the higher you go.
Herman
Daniel is spot on there. This is where the physics meets the finance. Usually, economies of scale mean that the more you produce of something, the cheaper each unit becomes. But with skyscrapers, you hit diseconomies of scale. Every extra floor requires more reinforcement for every floor below it. You are essentially paying a premium for every meter of height.
Corn
Because you are not just building a floor; you are strengthening a thousand meters of building beneath it.
Herman
Exactly. And the construction process itself becomes a nightmare. Think about pumping concrete. For the Burj Khalifa, they had to pump concrete to a height of over six hundred meters in a single stage. They had to do it at night because if the sun hit the pipes, the concrete would set too quickly and clog the system. They even had to add ice to the mixture to keep it cool. Imagine the logistics of coordinating thousands of tons of ice just to pour a floor.
Corn
I can imagine the cost of that. You are not just paying for concrete; you are paying for a massive, specialized cooling and pumping operation that runs at three in the morning. And what about the workers? How do they even get up there?
Herman
That is another hidden cost. As you go higher, the cranes have to be bigger and more complex. The time it takes for workers to get from the ground to their station at the top increases. Every minute a worker spends in an elevator is a minute they are not building. The wind speeds at those heights mean there are many days where work has to stop entirely because it is too dangerous for the cranes to operate. All of these factors drive the cost per square meter up astronomically. This leads to what architects call vanity height.
Corn
Vanity height? That sounds like a very judgmental term.
Herman
It is a technical one, actually! It refers to the distance between the highest occupied floor and the very top of the building. In many of the world's tallest buildings, the top twenty or thirty percent of the structure is just an empty spire or a decorative element. For the Burj Khalifa, approximately two hundred and forty-four meters of its height is non-occupiable. That is basically a whole other skyscraper of just... air and steel, just to claim the record.
Corn
So, at a certain point, it is no longer a business decision. It becomes a prestige project. It is about being the tallest, not being the most profitable.
Herman
Precisely. Most of the world's tallest buildings are not built because they are the most efficient way to provide office space. They are built as symbols of national pride or corporate power. They are giant advertisements. The Burj Khalifa was part of a plan to diversify Dubai's economy away from oil and toward tourism and service. It worked, but the building itself took a massive amount of investment that might never be fully recouped just through rent. It is a loss leader for an entire city.
Corn
That is an interesting point. We often look at these things as engineering challenges, but they are also psychological and political statements. But let's go back to the theoretical limit. If money were no object, if we had some trillionaire who just wanted to build a tower to the stars, is there a point where the laws of physics just say no? Like, can we build a tower that is ten kilometers high?
Herman
Well, if we are staying within the realm of current materials, the limit is surprisingly high. Some engineers have calculated that with a wide enough base, we could theoretically build a structure several kilometers high. There was a concept called the X-Seed four thousand, proposed for Tokyo, which would have been four kilometers tall.
Corn
Four kilometers? That is almost half the height of Mount Everest. That is insane.
Herman
It is. It was designed to look like a mountain and would have housed up to a million people. But the base would have been several kilometers wide. It would basically be a man-made mountain. The problem with something like that is the environmental impact. A building that size would actually change the local weather patterns. It would create its own microclimate, potentially causing permanent shadows over entire neighborhoods and altering wind currents for the whole city.
Corn
That sounds like something out of a science fiction novel. But what about the people inside? If you are living four kilometers up, the air pressure is significantly lower. Would the building have to be pressurized like an airplane?
Herman
That is another huge hurdle. At those heights, you absolutely have to deal with pressure differentials. Even in the Burj Khalifa, people's ears pop in the elevators because they are moving so fast through different pressure zones. If you went to four kilometers, you would either need a pressurized environment or people would need time to acclimate. And then there is the issue of life safety. How do you evacuate a million people from a four-kilometer-tall building in an emergency? You can't just tell them to take the stairs. That would be a multi-day hike.
Corn
You would need specialized fireproof zones, right? Like internal bunkers?
Herman
Exactly. You would need refuge floors every few levels that are completely pressurized, fireproof, and have their own oxygen supplies. The complexity of keeping people alive and safe at those heights is one of the biggest limiting factors. It is not just about standing up; it is about being a life-support system.
Corn
It sounds like the limit isn't one single thing, but a convergence of factors. We have the wind, the elevators, the cost, and the basic human biology of living in the upper atmosphere. But I want to touch on something Daniel mentioned about the foundations. He said the engineering of the foundations is mind-boggling. How do you anchor something that tall into the ground, especially in a place like Dubai where it is all sand?
Herman
Oh, the foundations are incredible. You can't just dig a hole and pour some concrete. For the Burj Khalifa, the ground is mostly sand and weak sedimentary rock. They couldn't hit solid bedrock easily. So they used a technique called skin friction.
Corn
Skin friction? Like the friction of your skin against a surface? How does that hold up a building?
Herman
Exactly. They drove one hundred and ninety-two massive piles, each one point five meters in diameter, more than fifty meters deep into the ground. These piles don't necessarily rest on something solid. Instead, the friction between the surface of the pile and the surrounding soil is what holds the building up. It is like pushing a stick into a bucket of sand. The sand grips the stick. Multiply that by nearly two hundred piles and the weight of the building, and you have enough force to keep it stable. It is the collective grip of the earth itself.
Corn
That is wild. The entire building is basically being held up by the grip of the sand on those piles. It feels so precarious, but obviously, the math checks out. I assume they have to worry about the water table too?
Herman
They do. In coastal areas like Dubai, you have to worry about salt water corroding the steel reinforcement in the concrete foundations. They had to use specialized high-density concrete and cathodic protection systems, which basically use a small electric current to prevent corrosion. It is a constant battle against the elements, even deep underground.
Corn
I'm curious, Herman, do you think we will see a building reach the one-mile mark in our lifetime? That seems to be the next big psychological milestone. One thousand six hundred and nine meters. As of February of twenty twenty-six, no building has reached the kilometer mark, with Jeddah Tower still the closest in development.
Herman
The Mile-High Tower. It has been a dream of architects since Frank Lloyd Wright proposed The Illinois back in nineteen fifty-six. The Sky Mile Tower is a conceptual proposal for Tokyo at one thousand seven hundred meters, with no firm construction date. The reality is that building something that tall takes a long time. In the decade it takes to build a record-breaking skyscraper, the entire world economy can change. A project that seemed like a great idea in twenty fourteen might look like a massive liability today.
Corn
So the limit might not be engineering at all, but the length of a human attention span or a political cycle.
Herman
I think that is a very astute observation, Corn. We have the technical capability to go higher right now. If we used carbon fiber more extensively, if we used more advanced damping systems, we could probably reach two kilometers. But who is going to pay for it? And what is the actual utility? At a certain point, the view doesn't get that much better, and the commute just gets longer. You are just building a very expensive monument to yourself.
Corn
It is the law of diminishing returns in every sense. But let's talk about the ultimate tall building: the space elevator. That is the holy grail, right? If we can't build up, can we just... hang down?
Herman
The space elevator is the ultimate engineering challenge. It would be a cable stretching from the surface of the Earth to a counterweight in geostationary orbit, about thirty-six thousand kilometers up. That makes the Burj Khalifa look like a blade of grass.
Corn
Thirty-six thousand kilometers. How does that even stay up without a base that is a thousand miles wide?
Herman
The physics of a space elevator are completely different. It is not a building that stands up; it is a cable that is held taut by the centrifugal force of the Earth's rotation. Think of a ball on a string being spun around your head. The string stays tight because of the motion. The challenge there is entirely material. We don't currently have a material strong enough and light enough to make a cable thirty-six thousand kilometers long. Carbon nanotubes are the best candidate, but we can't manufacture them in long enough strands yet. We are still in the centimeters, not the kilometers.
Corn
So, until we have a breakthrough in nanotechnology, we are stuck with buildings that have to fight gravity the old-fashioned way. But even within those constraints, there is room for innovation. I think the next big step isn't just going higher, but going smarter. We are seeing buildings that can generate their own power through integrated wind turbines and solar skin.
Herman
Right. And that might be how we eventually get to those massive heights. If a building is essentially its own ecosystem—filtering its own water, growing its own food in vertical farms, and generating its own power—then the economics change. It is no longer just an office building; it is a piece of essential infrastructure. It becomes a vertical city.
Corn
You know, it reminds me of some of the things we discussed in our archive about urban planning and how cities grow. If you want to dive deeper into how we think about space and density, listeners can check out the searchable archive at myweirdprompts.com. We've touched on similar themes before, though maybe not at this specific scale.
Herman
It is all connected, isn't it? From the way we pave our streets to the way we reach for the clouds. It is all about how we manage space and resources as a species. And there is one more thing that most people don't realize about these ultra-tall buildings. They actually affect time.
Corn
Wait, what? Are we getting into general relativity now? How can a building change time?
Herman
We are! According to Einstein's theory of relativity, gravity affects the flow of time. The further you are from a massive object, like the Earth, the faster time passes. It is called gravitational time dilation. Because the gravity is slightly weaker eight hundred meters up, time actually moves faster at the top of the Burj Khalifa than it does at the bottom.
Corn
So, if I live on the top floor, I am technically aging faster than someone on the ground floor? I'm losing my youth for the view?
Herman
You are. Now, don't panic—the difference is incredibly small. We are talking about nanoseconds over the course of a lifetime. But it is a real, measurable physical effect. The people at the top of the world are literally living in a slightly different time than the rest of us. It is the ultimate high-altitude tax.
Corn
That is the ultimate fun fact for Daniel. Not only do you have to worry about the wind and the elevators, but you are also fast-forwarding your life by a billionth of a second. It really puts a new perspective on the phrase living in the future.
Herman
I find it poetic in a way. We reach for the sky to escape the constraints of the Earth, and in doing so, we even slightly change our relationship with time itself. But for the average person, the real takeaway is that these record-breaking towers are like the Formula One cars of architecture. They push the limits of what is possible, and then that technology eventually makes its way into our everyday buildings.
Corn
Like the high-strength concrete or the better elevator sensors. We might not need a car that can go three hundred kilometers an hour, but we benefit from the brakes and the safety features that were developed to make that speed possible. I think that is a great place to wrap things up. It is easy to look at a skyscraper as just a glass box, but it is really a testament to human ingenuity.
Herman
It really is. And I want to thank Daniel for sending that in. It is always fun to geek out on the physics of the things we see every day but might not fully understand. Keep those prompts coming, everyone.
Corn
Definitely. And hey, to everyone listening, if you are enjoying these deep dives, we would really appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your podcast app or on Spotify. It genuinely helps other curious people find the show. We are on Spotify as well, so make sure to follow us there so you never miss an episode.
Herman
Thanks for joining us in the clouds today. We will be back soon with another prompt to explore. You can find all our past episodes at myweirdprompts.com.
Corn
This has been My Weird Prompts. I'm Corn.
Herman
And I'm Herman Poppleberry. Until next time, keep looking up.
Corn
See ya.

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