Episode #182

The Hidden Watermarks in Your AI: Privacy or Protection?

Invisible watermarks in AI? Is it privacy or protection? We uncover the hidden truth behind AI-generated content.

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The Hidden Watermarks in Your AI: Privacy or Protection?

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When Daniel discovered invisible digital watermarks embedded in his AI-generated content, he uncovered a rabbit hole that connects to Google DeepMind's SynthID and raises urgent questions about consent and privacy. Corn and Herman explore whether watermarking AI outputs is a necessary safeguard against deepfakes or an invasive tracking mechanism—and why most users have no idea it's happening. A conversation about transparency, informed consent, and where we draw the line on digital surveillance.

The Hidden Watermarks in Your AI: A Conversation About Privacy, Consent, and Control

Every time you generate an image with Google's tools, create a voice clone for a podcast, or use text-to-speech software, something invisible is happening to your content. Digital watermarks—hidden signatures embedded deep within the files—are being added without most users' knowledge or explicit consent. In a recent episode of My Weird Prompts, hosts Corn and Herman Poppleberry dive into this murky intersection of technology, privacy, and regulation, exploring what these watermarks really mean for creators and consumers alike.

The Discovery: Watermarks in Plain Sight

The conversation began when podcast producer Daniel Rosehill stumbled upon something unexpected while reviewing API documentation for Chatterbox, a text-to-speech tool. Buried in the technical specifications was a reference to "neural timestamping" using something called Perth—a hidden watermark that survives editing, compression, and reformatting. It was a casual discovery that opened a much larger door.

This practice isn't isolated. Google DeepMind has been actively embedding watermarks into images generated by their Imagen model through an initiative called SynthID. The technology embeds invisible data into AI-generated images that persists even after the content is edited or compressed. The stated goal is admirable: create a way to identify deepfakes and prevent misuse of generative AI technology. But as Corn and Herman explore, the reality is far more complicated.

Two Different Things: Identification vs. Identification

Herman makes a crucial distinction that often gets lost in discussions about AI watermarking. There's a meaningful difference between two concepts: marking content as "AI-generated" versus embedding data that could potentially identify the individual user who created it.

"Most people would agree that saying 'this content is AI-generated' is reasonable," Herman explains. But when a watermark contains encrypted or hidden information that could theoretically trace the content back to a specific person, that's a different proposition entirely. One is about content authentication; the other ventures into personal identification and tracking.

For Corn, who uses these tools professionally to create voice clones for his podcast, the distinction matters deeply. He's comfortable with a watermark declaring that his audio is artificially generated—that seems like a fair and transparent practice. But the idea that the watermark might also contain personal information that could identify him as the creator, even if encrypted or obscured, feels invasive. As he points out, this discomfort exists even when he's doing nothing wrong and has nothing to hide.

The Transparency Problem

What troubles Herman most isn't necessarily the watermarks themselves, but the lack of transparency surrounding them. Most users have no idea these watermarks exist. Rosehill only discovered it by accident while reading technical documentation—something the vast majority of people using these tools will never do.

This raises a fundamental question about informed consent. When you sign up for a service and generate content, do you deserve to know exactly what's being embedded in that content? Who can access it? How is it protected? Herman argues that the answer is unequivocally yes, and that this isn't paranoia—it's basic informed consent.

The ambiguity surrounding what information is actually embedded makes the situation worse. Google has been relatively public about SynthID embedding metadata about the image itself, but they've been less clear about whether user-identifying data is included. This lack of clarity is precisely what should concern people. If companies won't clearly explain what they're embedding, users have no way to make informed decisions about whether they're comfortable with the practice.

An Industry-Wide Trend

While Google has been the most aggressive about watermarking, the practice is becoming increasingly common across the generative AI industry. It's not yet universal, but the trend is clear. As more companies adopt watermarking technology, the lack of standardized transparency becomes a more pressing issue.

The persistence of these watermarks presents its own challenge. Because the watermarks survive editing and compression, they represent an incredibly durable form of digital marking. This raises an important question: if someone wants to remove a watermark, what options do they have? And what happens when removal tools become widely available?

The Arms Race: Watermarks vs. Removal Tools

Corn identifies what he sees as an inevitable outcome: an arms race between watermarking technology and watermark removal tools. As soon as companies embed watermarks, people develop tools to strip them out. This isn't theoretical—academic papers have already been published on adversarial attacks against watermarking systems. People are already generating images specifically designed to fool detection algorithms.

This echoes the long history of digital rights management (DRM) battles, where technology companies and circumvention specialists engage in an endless escalation. The watermark becomes more sophisticated, then removal tools become more sophisticated, and the cycle continues.

Herman acknowledges that bad actors will find ways around watermarks anyway. Someone determined to create deepfakes of celebrities or political figures won't be using official tools with watermarks—they'll use open-source models or tools without embedded watermarking. So does the watermark really matter?

What Watermarks Actually Protect

According to Herman, watermarks aren't primarily designed to stop determined bad actors. They're designed for the 99.9% of people using these tools legitimately. They serve as a deterrent and, more importantly, as a verification tool. If someone posts an image online claiming it's a photograph, a watermark proving it's AI-generated can be powerful evidence if you're trying to debunk misinformation.

But this assumes the watermark is actually detectable and verifiable by regular people. Currently, detection requires specific tools and technical expertise. Most users don't have the knowledge to check for invisible watermarks. So practically speaking, how does this help?

Herman suggests this is a long-term infrastructure play. Eventually, platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and news organizations could automatically scan for watermarks using backend infrastructure. They'd have the capability to verify authenticity at scale. But that future infrastructure doesn't exist yet, and in the meantime, users are being watermarked without knowing it.

The Slippery Slope of Scope Creep

Another concern Herman raises is the potential for scope creep. Today, watermarks identify content as AI-generated. But what prevents tomorrow's watermarks from including metadata about usage patterns, location data, account type, or subscription level?

Corn pushes back, noting that this is a slippery slope argument—we don't actually know that this is happening. But Herman's response is telling: "We don't, which is exactly my point. We should know before we agree to it."

This gets at the heart of the consent issue. The problem isn't necessarily what companies are doing right now; it's the lack of clarity about what they could do, and the absence of explicit user agreement about what information is embedded in generated content.

What Good Transparency Looks Like

When asked what adequate transparency would actually look like, Herman proposes a clear standard: "All content generated using this tool will be embedded with a watermark that identifies it as AI-generated. This watermark is designed to [specific purpose]. It will survive [specific types of modifications]. The watermark may contain the following information: [list]. You can [options for removal/modification, if any]. This data is stored [location] and accessed by [who]. You can request deletion by [method]."

Corn suggests this level of detail might be overkill for most users, and that a simpler approach might be better. But Herman counters that the basics must include information affecting privacy and rights. You don't need to understand the algorithm, but you absolutely need to know what data about you might be embedded or tracked. That's not overkill—that's baseline.

The challenge, as Corn notes, is that verbose disclosures often get ignored anyway. Nobody reads terms of service because they're walls of text. But Herman's response is pragmatic: the solution is to make disclosures clear and concise, not to skip them entirely. That's a design problem, not a reason to avoid transparency.

Balancing Safety and Privacy

The fundamental tension at the heart of this conversation is how to balance protecting against genuine misuse—voice cloning, deepfakes, unauthorized impersonation—without invading everyone's privacy.

Herman argues that watermarking isn't actually the right tool for preventing misuse. The people who want to create unauthorized deepfakes aren't using official tools with watermarks; they're using open-source models that don't have embedded watermarking. Watermarking legitimate users doesn't stop bad actors—it's more about security theater than actual prevention.

What would actually work, according to Herman, is a combination of better regulation, stronger authentication systems, legal consequences for misuse, and a cultural shift around consent. Voice cloning technology is incredibly powerful—you can impersonate someone based on just a ten-second audio sample. That should require explicit consent from the person being cloned, not a silent watermark embedded in the creator's files.

Conclusion: The Need for Clear Rules

The conversation between Corn and Herman reveals a fundamental gap between the technology companies are deploying and the transparency they're providing to users. Watermarking AI-generated content isn't inherently wrong, but doing it without clear, upfront disclosure about what information is embedded and how it's used violates basic principles of informed consent.

As generative AI becomes more powerful and more prevalent, these questions about watermarking, tracking, and transparency will only become more urgent. Users deserve to know what's happening to their content, and companies need to be explicit about the data they're collecting and embedding. Until that transparency exists, the hidden watermarks in our AI-generated content remain a privacy concern worth taking seriously.

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Episode #182: The Hidden Watermarks in Your AI: Privacy or Protection?

Corn
Welcome back to My Weird Prompts, the podcast where we explore the strange, fascinating, and sometimes unsettling corners of technology and human experience. I'm Corn, and I'm here with my co-host Herman Poppleberry. Today we're diving into something that honestly blew my mind when I first heard about it - digital watermarking in AI-generated content, and what that means for all of us.
Herman
Yeah, and Daniel Rosehill, our producer, sent us this prompt because he discovered something pretty eye-opening while working with text-to-speech tools. Turns out, the voices you're hearing right now - well, they might be carrying invisible digital signatures that you never consented to. It's a rabbit hole worth exploring.
Corn
So here's the wild part - Daniel was using this tool called Chatterbox, which sounds incredible by the way, and he stumbled across something in the API documentation that said all his generated content was being "neurally timestamped" with something called Perth. Like, a hidden watermark that survives editing, compression, reformatting - the whole nine yards.
Herman
And that's just the beginning. This connects to something much larger called SynthID, which came out of Google DeepMind. Same concept, but for images. Google's basically embedding invisible data into every image generated by their tools saying "this is AI-made." The question is... should they be doing that? And more importantly, are they being transparent about it?
Corn
I mean, on the surface it sounds good, right? We need a way to identify deepfakes and prevent misuse. But then you start thinking about the privacy implications, and it gets... murky.
Herman
Exactly. There's a critical distinction we need to make here, and I think this is where most of the discourse falls apart. There's a difference between saying "this content is AI-generated" - which I think most people would agree is reasonable - and embedding data that could potentially identify the individual user who created it. Those are two very different things.
Corn
Right, right. So like, I'm creating voice clones of myself for this podcast. I'm totally fine with a watermark saying "hey, this is AI-generated audio." That seems fair. But if that watermark also contains information that could theoretically trace it back to me personally, even if it's encrypted or whatever, that feels invasive. Even if I'm doing nothing wrong.
Herman
Precisely. And here's what bothers me about the current state of things - most users probably don't even know this is happening. You discovered it by accident while reading API documentation. How many people using Gemini's image generator, or ChatGPT, or any of these tools, actually know that their outputs might be watermarked?
Corn
That's the transparency issue, yeah. But wait - do we actually know for certain that these watermarks contain user-identifying information? Or are we speculating?
Herman
That's a fair pushback. From what we know about SynthID specifically, Google has been fairly public that the watermark embeds information about the image itself - metadata essentially - but they've been less clear about whether user data is included. And that's the problem. That ambiguity is exactly what should concern people.
Corn
So the lack of clarity is almost worse than the watermark itself, in a way.
Herman
Absolutely. Because if you sign up for a service and you're generating content, you deserve to know exactly what's being embedded, who can access it, and how it's protected. Period. That's not being paranoid - that's basic informed consent.
Corn
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Corn
...Alright, thanks Larry. Anyway, back to the actual issue here. So Herman, let's talk about the scale of this. How widespread is this watermarking practice? Is it just Google and Resemble, or are we talking about an industry-wide thing?
Herman
From what we can gather, it's becoming increasingly common, but it's not universal yet. Google's been the most aggressive about it with SynthID. They've been pretty public about embedding watermarks in images generated by their Imagen model and through Google's other generative tools. The idea is sound in theory - you can detect AI-generated images even after compression or editing. It survives modifications.
Corn
But that's actually kind of scary when you think about it. Like, if someone edits an image, the watermark survives. That means it's incredibly persistent. What if someone wants to actually remove that watermark? Are we talking about an arms race where people develop tools specifically to strip out these digital signatures?
Herman
Oh, absolutely. And that's already happening. This is the classic cat-and-mouse game. As soon as companies embed watermarks, people start developing removal tools. There are already papers published on adversarial attacks against these watermarking systems. You can generate images specifically designed to fool the detection algorithms. It's like DRM all over again - the technology keeps escalating.
Corn
But here's what I don't get - and maybe you can explain this - if someone's using these tools maliciously, like creating deepfakes of celebrities or something, does the watermark even matter? I mean, wouldn't they just immediately start using open-source models or tools that don't have watermarks?
Herman
Okay, so that's a really important point, and I think you've identified a genuine limitation of the watermarking approach. Yes, bad actors will find ways around it. But the watermark isn't primarily designed for them. It's designed for the 99.9% of people using these tools legitimately. It's a deterrent and a verification tool. If someone posts an image online and claims it's a photograph, a watermark proving it's AI-generated can be evidence in your favor if you're trying to debunk misinformation.
Corn
Hmm, but that assumes the watermark is actually detectable and verifiable by regular people. Most of us don't have the technical knowledge to check for these invisible watermarks. So practically speaking, how does that help?
Herman
Fair point. Right now, detection requires specific tools and technical expertise. But the idea is that eventually, platforms like Twitter or Facebook or news organizations could automatically scan for these watermarks. They'd have the infrastructure to verify authenticity at scale. It's a long-term infrastructure play, not an immediate solution.
Corn
Okay, so let's zoom out. Daniel's main concern in the prompt is about transparency and consent. He's asking - shouldn't users know exactly what's being embedded in their content? Because even if you're not doing anything wrong, the fact that your outputs are being digitally marked in ways you might not fully understand feels like a violation.
Herman
Yes, and I think that's the crux of the issue. There's also a secondary concern about scope creep. Today it's "this is AI-generated." Tomorrow, what if it includes metadata about your usage patterns? What if it includes information about your location, your account type, your subscription level? Where's the line?
Corn
That's a slippery slope argument though, isn't it? I mean, we don't actually know that's happening.
Herman
We don't, which is exactly my point. We should know before we agree to it. And most people don't. When you sign up for Google's generative AI tools, is there a clear disclosure that says "all your outputs will be watermarked with the following information: [list]"? I haven't seen one.
Corn
I'd actually push back a little here. Google's pretty good about burying stuff in their terms of service, sure, but they do disclose a lot. They have AI ethics boards, they publish research about their safety measures. They're not operating in complete secrecy.
Herman
True, but there's a difference between publishing research about safety measures and clearly communicating to end users what's happening to their specific outputs. One is PR, the other is informed consent. And I'd argue most users experience the former without getting the latter.
Corn
That's fair. So what would actually good transparency look like? Like, what should Daniel have seen when he signed up for Chatterbox?
Herman
At minimum, something like: "All content generated using this tool will be embedded with a watermark that identifies it as AI-generated. This watermark is designed to [specific purpose]. It will survive [specific types of modifications]. The watermark may contain the following information: [list]. You can [options for removal/modification, if any]. This data is stored [location] and accessed by [who]. You can request deletion by [method]." Clear, specific, actionable.
Corn
Okay, but here's the thing - and I say this as someone who actually works with these tools - that level of detail might be overkill for most users. Like, I don't need a five-paragraph disclosure every time I generate something. I just need to know the basics.
Herman
But see, that's where we differ. I think the basics have to include the stuff that affects your privacy and rights. You don't need to know the exact algorithm they're using, fine. But you absolutely need to know what data about you might be embedded or tracked. That's not overkill, that's baseline.
Corn
I hear you. I guess my concern is that if we make disclosures too complicated or verbose, people just ignore them anyway. It's like the terms of service problem - nobody reads them because they're a wall of text.
Herman
Then the solution is to make disclosures clear and concise, not to skip them entirely. That's a design problem, not a fundamental reason to avoid transparency.
Corn
Fair. So let's talk about the actual misuse potential, because that's what's driving this whole watermarking push in the first place. Voice cloning, deepfakes - these are genuinely dangerous technologies. How do we balance protecting against misuse without invading everyone's privacy?
Herman
That's the million-dollar question. And honestly, I don't think watermarking is the right tool for it. Here's why - the people who want to create unauthorized deepfakes of celebrities or political figures, they're not using official tools with watermarks. They're using open-source models like Stable Diffusion or voice cloning tools that don't have watermarks built in. Watermarking legitimate users doesn't stop the bad guys.
Corn
So it's security theater? Making it look like they're solving the problem when they're not really?
Herman
Partly, yeah. But I don't want to be unfair - watermarking does serve a purpose for verification and authentication. If you're a journalist and you want to prove an image is AI-generated, a watermark helps. But as a primary defense against misuse? It's insufficient.
Corn
What would actually work then?
Herman
Honestly? Better regulation, stronger authentication systems, legal consequences for misuse, and honestly, a cultural shift around consent. Like, voice cloning is incredibly powerful - you can impersonate someone based on a ten-second audio sample. That should require explicit consent from the person being cloned. Not a watermark that embeds silently, but actual permission.
Corn
But how do you enforce that technically? You can't really prevent someone from using a voice sample they have access to.
Herman
You can't prevent it completely, no. But you can make it harder, and you can make the consequences severe. You can require age verification for certain tools. You can implement hardware-level protections. You can create legal frameworks with real teeth. Watermarking alone doesn't do any of that.
Corn
Okay, so bringing it back to Daniel's original concern - the privacy angle. He's saying that even if he's using these tools responsibly, the fact that his outputs are being digitally marked in ways he doesn't fully understand is invasive. Is that a legitimate concern?
Herman
Absolutely. And I think it's important to separate the legitimate use case - identifying AI-generated content to combat misinformation - from the privacy concerns. Both can be true. You can want watermarks for verification purposes while also wanting strong privacy protections for users. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
Corn
But they kind of are, though, aren't they? If the watermark is useful for identification, it has to carry some information. And if it carries information, there's a privacy question.
Herman
Only if that information is tied to the user. A watermark that says "this image was generated by an AI on January 15th" is different from one that says "this image was generated by User ID 47382 on January 15th." The first is useful for verification. The second is a privacy concern.
Corn
So the distinction is whether it's personally identifiable information versus just metadata about the content itself.
Herman
Exactly. And I think most users would be fine with the former and concerned about the latter. But because there's no transparency, people don't know which one they're getting.
Corn
We've got a caller on the line. Go ahead, you're on the air.

Jim: Yeah, this is Jim from Ohio. Look, I've been listening to you two go back and forth, and you're overthinking this. My neighbor Dave does the same thing - overthinks every little thing. Anyway, watermarks, no watermarks, who cares? If you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter?
Herman
Well, Jim, I appreciate the perspective, but I'd push back on that a bit. Privacy isn't just about hiding wrongdoing. It's a fundamental right. You might not care about a watermark, but—

Jim: Yeah, but you're using their tools, their platform. They get to set the rules. That's how it works. Also, it snowed here in Ohio last week and I'm still not over it - supposed to be spring. Anyway, if you don't like it, don't use the tools.
Corn
That's fair, Jim, but the issue is most people don't have a choice anymore. These tools are becoming ubiquitous. If you want to use AI for anything creative or professional, you're probably going to end up on a platform that has watermarking or tracking of some kind.

Jim: Then that's the trade-off. Free tools, free content generation - of course they're gonna track you. Nothing's free.
Herman
But that's not quite the point. The point is transparency. If you're being tracked, you should know how, why, and what data is being collected. That's not about free versus paid - it's about informed consent.

Jim: Informed consent, shmformed consent. You click "I agree" and move on, just like everyone else. Look, I'm not saying it's right, but that's how the world works. My cat Whiskers knocked over my entire desk this morning, so forgive me if I'm not in the mood for philosophical debates about digital privacy.
Corn
I hear you, Jim. Thanks for calling in.

Jim: Yeah, sure. Whatever. You guys are still overthinking it. Take care.
Corn
So Jim represents a pretty common perspective - this is just the cost of using free tools. But I think Herman's point stands. Even if that's the current reality, it doesn't have to be the future. We could demand better.
Herman
Exactly. And there's precedent for this. The GDPR in Europe requires explicit consent for data collection. CCPA in California does something similar. These regulations exist because people demanded transparency and control over their data. We can do the same thing with AI-generated content.
Corn
But there's also a practical question - if we impose strict transparency requirements on AI tools, does that slow down innovation? Does it make these tools more expensive or less accessible?
Herman
Maybe. But I'd argue that's a feature, not a bug. If the only way to make AI tools accessible is to compromise on privacy, then maybe we need a different approach. Maybe the tools should be more expensive but more transparent. Maybe they should be open-source so people can see exactly what's happening.
Corn
That's idealistic, but I'm not sure it's realistic. Companies aren't going to voluntarily give up the ability to track and watermark their outputs. There has to be regulation.
Herman
Which brings us back to the policy question. What should regulation look like? Should it mandate transparency? Should it restrict watermarking? Should it require consent for certain types of modifications?
Corn
Those are huge questions. And honestly, I think the technology is moving faster than policy can keep up with. By the time regulations are written, the tools will have evolved.
Herman
True, but that's not a reason to give up. It's a reason to start now. We need tech companies, regulators, and users all in conversation about what the standards should be.
Corn
So what's the practical takeaway here? If you're someone using these tools right now - whether it's image generation, voice cloning, whatever - what should you actually do?
Herman
First, read the terms of service. I know, I know, nobody does that. But specifically look for sections on data collection, watermarking, and how your outputs are used. If it's unclear, contact the company and ask for clarification.
Corn
Second, consider the alternatives. There are open-source models that give you more transparency about what's happening. They might require more technical knowledge, but you have more control.
Herman
Third, advocate for transparency. If you're using a platform and you're concerned about watermarking or tracking, reach out to the company. Let them know transparency matters to you. Companies respond to user pressure.
Corn
And fourth, stay informed. This landscape is changing rapidly. New tools are coming out constantly, and the privacy implications are evolving. It's worth keeping up with.
Herman
I'd add one more thing - support regulations that require transparency. If you care about this issue, contact your representatives. Let them know that privacy protections for AI-generated content matter.
Corn
That's a good point. So zooming out, where do you think this is heading? In five years, will watermarking be ubiquitous? Will there be regulations in place?
Herman
I think we'll see more watermarking, yes. The technology is getting better, and companies see it as a way to combat misinformation and protect their brand. But I also think we'll see a pushback. As more people realize they're being watermarked without clear consent, there will be pressure for regulation.
Corn
And on the technical side, I imagine we'll see arms races between watermarking and removal tools. People will develop better ways to strip watermarks, companies will develop better watermarks. It's like encryption versus decryption.
Herman
Right, and that's why I think watermarking alone isn't sufficient. We need a multi-layered approach - watermarking for detection, regulation for consent, legal consequences for misuse, and cultural norms around responsible use of these tools.
Corn
It's complicated, is what you're saying.
Herman
It is. But it's important. These tools are going to shape how we communicate and create for decades. Getting the privacy and consent frameworks right now matters.
Corn
Alright, so to wrap up - Daniel's concern about transparency in watermarking is legitimate. Companies should be clearer about what's being embedded in your outputs and why. Users should be more informed and advocate for their privacy. And we probably need regulation to make it happen.
Herman
And importantly, this isn't about stopping innovation or preventing legitimate uses of watermarking. It's about doing it transparently and ethically.
Corn
Well said. Thanks to everyone who's listening, thanks to our caller Jim for keeping us honest, and thanks to Daniel for this fascinating prompt. It's one of those topics that seems niche until you realize it affects everyone using these tools.
Herman
If you want to hear more episodes like this, you can find My Weird Prompts on Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every week, exploring the weird, the fascinating, and the occasionally unsettling corners of technology and society.
Corn
I'm Corn, he's Herman Poppleberry, and we'll be back next week with another prompt. Thanks for listening, everybody.

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.