Episode #416

The Rise of the Hybrid Army: Professionalizing Insurgency

Herman and Corn explore how non-state actors are emulating conventional militaries to bridge the gap in asymmetric warfare.

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In a recent episode of the podcast, hosts Herman Poppleberry and Corn took a deep dive into a topic that hits close to home for them in Jerusalem: the evolving nature of asymmetric warfare. Over four hundred days into a significant regional conflict, the discussion centered on a prompt from a listener named Daniel, who questioned how non-conventional militaries—specifically groups like Hamas and Hezbollah—have begun to emulate the methods, structures, and sophistication of conventional state armies.

The Professionalization of Intelligence

Herman and Corn began by addressing the common misconception that non-state actors are merely reactive or disorganized. The events of October 7, 2023, served as a grim catalyst for realizing that these groups have achieved a level of "professionalized insurgency." Herman highlighted the work of "Modatz," the intelligence body of Hamas, which has structured its operations into five pillars: observation, cyber, signals intelligence (SIGINT), open-source intelligence (OSINT), and human intelligence (HUMINT).

A key insight from the discussion was the exploitation of human networks. For years, thousands of workers from Gaza entered Israel daily. While most were seeking a livelihood, the sheer volume of incidental observations—the location of a security gate, the timing of a shift change, or the layout of a civil defense armory—provided a high-resolution data set when aggregated over a decade. This "distributed human intelligence network" allowed these groups to map target communities down to the individual house level, a feat far beyond the capabilities of simple open-source tools like Google Maps.

Subterranean Command and Control

The conversation then shifted to the physical infrastructure of this new kind of warfare. The hosts discussed the "Gaza Metro," a tunnel network stretching over 500 kilometers. Herman explained that these are not merely hiding spots but sophisticated subterranean facilities equipped with server cabinets, air conditioning, and dedicated IT staff.

By integrating command and control (C2) centers into civilian infrastructure, such as hospitals and schools, non-state actors create a "protected environment." This tactic forces a conventional military into a moral and legal quagmire, making it nearly impossible to distinguish between military and civilian signals. Corn noted that the urban environment has essentially been transformed into a "giant, camouflaged motherboard," where the traditional advantages of aerial surveillance are mitigated by the depth and complexity of the tunnels.

Information as an "Asymmetric Air Force"

One of the most striking points of the episode was the discussion of psychological warfare. Herman and Corn argued that non-state actors have effectively replaced traditional air power with "information power." By utilizing body cams and immediately uploading raw, violent footage to social media platforms like Telegram and X, these groups control the narrative in real-time.

Unlike conventional armies, which are often slowed down by legal reviews and professional spokesperson units, insurgent groups turn every fighter into a content creator. This creates an immersive, terrifying reality that bypasses traditional missile defenses and lands directly in the minds of a global audience. This "professionalism of nihilism" allows them to spread terror among enemies and project strength to supporters with a speed that state bureaucracies cannot match.

The "Gap" and Combined Arms

Despite this professionalization, Herman pointed out that a significant gap remains between non-state actors and conventional forces like the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). This gap is primarily found in "combined arms" capabilities. While Hamas and Hezbollah have mastered infantry tactics, urban defense, and localized ambushes, they lack the multi-billion-dollar budget and state structure required to coordinate a multi-domain offensive involving air, sea, armor, and infantry simultaneously.

Herman described the success of these groups as a "sprint, not a marathon." They are world-class at holding specific urban territories or conducting sudden, high-intensity raids, but they struggle with sustained, large-scale maneuvers in open territory.

Internal Security and the Cult of the Military

The hosts also explored how these groups maintain such high levels of operational security (OPSEC). Interestingly, their advantage lies in being less digital than their conventional counterparts. While modern militaries leave massive digital footprints, groups like Hezbollah use internal secret police (Unit 900) and low-tech communication methods, such as physical notes, to avoid interception.

Furthermore, the hosts discussed why these groups bother with the "trappings" of a regular army—uniforms, ranks, and promotion systems. Herman explained that these elements provide internal cohesion, turning militants into "soldiers" in their own minds, and offer a veneer of legitimacy on the international stage.

Conclusion: Mentorship and the Future of Conflict

The episode concluded by touching on the source of this professional knowledge. These groups do not operate in a vacuum; they have mentors. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has trained Hezbollah for decades, and Hezbollah, in turn, has served as a blueprint for Hamas. By sending promising officers to military academies abroad and studying the history of conventional warfare, these groups have successfully stripped away the expensive parts of a state army while doubling down on human capital and discipline.

Ultimately, Herman and Corn’s discussion paints a sobering picture of modern warfare. As non-state actors continue to close the gap in intelligence and psychological operations, the traditional definitions of "professional" and "conventional" militaries are being permanently altered.

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Episode #416: The Rise of the Hybrid Army: Professionalizing Insurgency

Corn
Alright, we are back. And honestly, today's topic is one that hits incredibly close to home, literally and figuratively. We are sitting here in Jerusalem, and as of February first, twenty twenty-six, the echoes of the last few years are still very much the soundtrack of our lives. We are over four hundred and eighty days into a conflict that has fundamentally changed how the world looks at asymmetric warfare.
Herman
It is a heavy one, Corn. I am Herman Poppleberry, and for those who have been following our journey through over four hundred episodes, you know we do not shy away from the complex stuff. Our housemate Daniel sent us a prompt that really gets to the heart of this shift. He was asking about how non-conventional militaries, specifically groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, have started emulating the methods of conventional armies to a degree that caught the world's most advanced intelligence agencies off guard.
Corn
Right, and specifically looking at their intelligence gathering. I think for a lot of people, there was this assumption that non-state actors were just reactive or maybe a bit haphazard. But the events of October seventh, twenty twenty-three, shattered that. The level of detail they had, mapping out communities down to individual houses, the command and control centers, the operational security. It was a level of professionalism that was, frankly, terrifying.
Herman
Exactly. It is this strange transition where a group that is technically a non-state actor begins to function with the bureaucratic and tactical sophistication of a national military. Daniel wanted us to dig into the gaps between these groups and conventional forces like the Israel Defense Forces, and how they actually manage things like internal security and psychological warfare. We are talking about groups that have moved from simple guerrilla tactics to what we now call hybrid warfare.
Corn
It is fascinating because, on one hand, you have the Israel Defense Forces, or the I D F, which is one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world. And then you have these groups operating out of a densely populated, blockaded coastal strip or the hills of southern Lebanon. But the gap in intelligence gathering seems to have narrowed. Herman, when we look at the intelligence side, how does a group like Hamas even begin to build a map of a target down to the house level? That is not something you just get from Google Maps.
Herman
You are right, it is not just Google Maps, though open source intelligence, or O S I N T, is a massive part of it now. We have to look at their dedicated intelligence body, which is often referred to as Modatz. They have professionalized their approach into five main areas: observation, cyber, signals intelligence, open source, and human intelligence. For years, thousands of workers from Gaza entered Israel every day. While the vast majority were just trying to earn a living, the system was exploited. In a highly organized military structure, even casual observations become data points. A worker notices where the security gate is, where the armory for the local civil defense team is located, or what time the shift changes happen. When you aggregate that over a decade with thousands of people, you build a high-resolution picture.
Corn
So it is essentially a massive, distributed human intelligence network. But it is more than just observing, right? I remember reports of actual manuals found on the bodies of fighters.
Herman
Precisely. These were not just rough notes; they were professionally printed field manuals. They contained instructions on operating specific weapons, identifying vulnerabilities in Israeli armored vehicles, and even tactical tips for close-quarters combat. Some of these documents were dated as early as twenty twenty-two, showing that the planning was meticulous and long-term. They had detailed maps of targeted communities that included critical infrastructure locations and security response patterns.
Corn
That requires a level of command and control that we usually associate with state actors. Daniel mentioned these command and control centers, or C two centers. We have seen reports of these being located under hospitals, schools, and residential buildings. But the scale of it is what is truly shocking. I am thinking of reports of sophisticated subterranean facilities used for command and control purposes in Gaza.
Herman
That is a perfect example of this emulation. These were not just basements; they were sophisticated subterranean facilities with server cabinets, air conditioning, and dedicated I T staff. They are part of what they call the Gaza Metro, a tunnel network that stretches for over five hundred kilometers. From a tactical perspective, integrating your C two into civilian infrastructure serves a functional purpose beyond just using human shields. In asymmetric warfare, your greatest weakness is being seen from the air. By embedding your servers and command staff under civilian buildings, you create a protected environment that forces the conventional army into a moral and legal quagmire. It makes the intelligence gathering for the opposing side incredibly difficult because you cannot distinguish a military signal from a civilian one.
Corn
It is like they have turned the entire urban environment into a giant, camouflaged motherboard. But let's talk about the gap Daniel mentioned. If they are emulating conventional armies, where do they still fall short? Or maybe fall short is the wrong way to put it. Where are the fundamental differences in their tactics?
Herman
The biggest gap is in what we call combined arms. A conventional army like the I D F relies on the seamless integration of infantry, armor, air power, and naval support. That is incredibly hard to do without a massive budget and a formal state structure. Hamas can do infantry well, they can do light rockets well, and they can do basic drone work. But they cannot coordinate a massive, multi-domain offensive in the way a state can. Their professionalism is specialized. They are world-class at urban defense, tunneling, and localized ambushes. They are not as good at sustained, large-scale maneuvers in open territory. Their success on October seventh was a sprint, not a marathon, in terms of conventional territory holding.
Corn
Right. But what about internal security? This is something I find fascinating. To plan something that massive and keep it a secret from the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world for years. How do they manage their own operational security, or O P S E C?
Herman
This is where they actually might have an advantage over a conventional army. A conventional army is a bureaucracy with a massive digital footprint. Hamas and Hezbollah operate more like a cult or a secret society. Hezbollah, for instance, has Unit nine hundred, which acts as their internal secret police. They are responsible for thwarting espionage and monitoring their own members. Hamas has a similar wing called the Majd. They monitor phone calls, track social interactions, and the penalty for suspected collaboration is often death. It is a high-pressure, high-consequence environment that creates a very tight lid on information. The planning for major operations has reportedly relied on low-tech methods to avoid digital interception.
Corn
So, it is security through terror within their own ranks, combined with very low-tech methods. We spent the last twenty years becoming so good at intercepting digital signals that we forgot how to track a guy walking through an alleyway with a piece of paper in his pocket. It is a sobering reminder that advanced does not always mean effective. I want to shift to psychological warfare for a second. Daniel mentioned this, and it feels like a huge part of their strategy. The use of body cams and the immediate uploading of footage.
Herman
It is a total departure from traditional military P R. A conventional army has a Spokesperson's Unit with lawyers and censors. They want to look professional and disciplined. Non-state actors like Hamas have a different goal. Their psychological warfare is two-pronged. For their supporters, the goal is to show victory and strength through raw violence. For their enemies, the goal is to spread terror and demoralization. By using body cams and even hijacking the social media accounts of their victims to post footage of the attacks, they turn every fighter into a content creator. It creates this immersive, terrifying reality that a traditional news report just cannot replicate. They have professionalized the insurgency video into a sophisticated information operations wing.
Corn
And it works on a global scale, too. They are able to control the narrative in real-time. Before the I D F can even confirm an event happened, there is already edited footage on Telegram and X, often framed to suit their political goals. They have essentially replaced air power with information power.
Herman
That is a brilliant way to put it, Corn. Information is their asymmetric air force. It travels over borders, it bypasses missile defenses, and it lands directly in the minds of the target audience.
Corn
So, looking at these functions, it seems like they have taken the manual of a state army and stripped away all the parts that require a billion-dollar budget, then doubled down on the parts that require human capital and discipline. But there is a darker side to this professionalism, isn't there? When we talk about the gap in morals that Daniel mentioned.
Herman
That is the most significant gap of all. A conventional army, especially in a democracy, is bound by the laws of armed conflict. There are things you simply cannot do, or at least, things you are held accountable for if you do them. For Hamas or Hezbollah, the lack of that professional constraint is actually a tactical choice. They do not see it as a lack of professionalism; they see it as a total war where every civilian is a target and every civilian building is a shield. It is a professionalism of nihilism. They are very, very good at things that a conventional army is specifically trained not to do.
Corn
It is a chilling realization. But even within that, they have a hierarchy. They have a promotion system, they have uniforms, they have ranks. Why do you think they bother with the trappings of a regular army? If you are an insurgent group, why wear a uniform or have a General Staff?
Herman
It serves several purposes. First, it provides internal cohesion. If you want a group of young men to follow orders that might lead to their death, giving them a sense of being part of a real army is a powerful psychological tool. It elevates them from militants to soldiers in their own minds. Second, it is for the international stage. When they release statements from their military wing, it gives them a veneer of legitimacy. And third, it actually does help with organization. Having a clear chain of command, even if it is shadowy, is necessary to manage thousands of fighters across an urban landscape. Look at Hezbollah's Radwan Force, also known as Unit one hundred twenty-five. They are a highly trained commando unit that wears distinctive patches and follows a strict military hierarchy. They were the model for the elite Nukhba forces that Hamas used on October seventh.
Corn
So it is about the structure of power. But what about the training? You do not just wake up and know how to conduct house-level intelligence mapping. Where does that knowledge come from?
Herman
This is where the state-like emulation becomes very literal. They have mentors. Groups like Hezbollah have been trained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps for decades. And then Hezbollah, in turn, has trained Hamas. They have military academies in Gaza and Lebanon. They send their promising officers abroad for post-graduate training in places like Iran. They are students of history, too. They study the Vietnam War, the battles in Iraq, and even the I D F's own tactics. They are a learning organization. Every time there is a skirmish, they analyze what worked and what did not. They are constantly iterating.
Corn
That is a key phrase. A learning organization. I think that is what shocked people the most. The idea that these groups are not static. They are evolving, and they are doing it by watching us. It is like a dark mirror of a conventional military. We develop a new defense, they find a way to bypass it. We move to digital, they move to physical.
Herman
And they use our own technology against us. Think about the use of paragliders or commercially available drones. They took things that are essentially toys and weaponized them through professional tactical planning. They did not need to develop a stealth fighter; they just needed to know exactly where the blind spots were in the radar and fly a five-hundred-dollar drone through them.
Corn
It really highlights the vulnerability of high-tech systems to low-tech professionalized thinking. But let's look at the internal security part again. Daniel mentioned this specifically. How do they manage the security of the security? If you have an intelligence wing, you need to make sure that wing isn't compromised.
Herman
They use a cell-based structure, which is classic insurgency, but they have layered a professional counter-intelligence unit on top of it. They have what is basically a secret police within the military. If a fighter starts showing signs of wealth or suddenly has a new phone they cannot explain, they are interrogated. They also use family ties as a form of security. In many of these communities, your family is your bond. If you betray the group, you are not just betraying a political cause; you are endangering your entire extended family. It is a very effective, if brutal, way to ensure loyalty.
Corn
It is almost like a feudal system mashed together with a modern military bureaucracy. It is fascinating and terrifying at the same time. But what does this mean for the gap in the future? Do you think the line between conventional and non-conventional is going to keep blurring until it disappears?
Herman
I think we are seeing the birth of what some call hybrid warfare on steroids. The gap isn't disappearing, but it is changing shape. The conventional army will always have more firepower and technology. But the non-conventional army is closing the intelligence and willpower gap. They are becoming so good at the soft parts of war, the psychology, the information, the urban camouflage, that it neutralizes a lot of the conventional hard power.
Corn
So, if you are an army like the I D F, how do you even respond to that? If your opponent is emulating your best practices but ignoring your moral constraints, how do you fight that without losing your own identity?
Herman
That is the million-dollar question, Corn. And it is the one that every major military is grappling with right now. The response seems to be a move toward more precision and even more intelligence. But there is also a realization that you cannot just tech your way out of this. You need to understand the human element, the social fabric, and the psychological landscape just as well as they do. You have to be as good at storytelling as you are at shooting.
Corn
It feels like we are moving into an era where professionalism in war is no longer about the size of your tanks, but the depth of your data and the speed of your narrative.
Herman
Exactly. And that is why Daniel's prompt is so relevant. By understanding how these groups emulate conventional armies, we can see where the next front line actually is. It is not just a border fence; it is a server, a basement, and a Telegram channel.
Corn
It is a lot to take in. Especially when you realize that this isn't just theory for us. We see it every day. The sirens, the news alerts, the tension in the air. It is the reality of living in a place where these two types of professionalism are constantly clashing.
Herman
It is. And I think it is important for our listeners to realize that when we talk about professionalism in this context, we aren't giving these groups a compliment. We are acknowledging their effectiveness and their danger. To underestimate your enemy is the first step toward defeat. Recognizing that Hamas or Hezbollah are highly organized, intelligence-driven organizations is necessary to understand why this conflict is so difficult and so devastating.
Corn
Right. It is about cold, hard analysis. Not they are just a bunch of guys in sandals, but they are a sophisticated military entity with a specific, deadly skill set.
Herman
Precisely.
Corn
Well, I think we have covered a lot of ground here. From the house-level mapping to the asymmetric air force of social media. It is a grim topic, but a necessary one.
Herman
It really is. And I think it leads us to some pretty clear takeaways for anyone trying to understand modern conflict. First, do not confuse non-state with unorganized. Second, realize that low-tech can often defeat high-tech if the intelligence behind it is superior. And third, the moral gap is not just a philosophical difference; it is a tactical reality that shapes how these wars are fought.
Corn
Those are solid points, Herman. And for our listeners, I think the big takeaway is to look past the surface level. When you see a news report about a clash, remember that behind that event is likely months or years of intelligence gathering, professional planning, and psychological maneuvering.
Herman
Well said. And hey, if you have been following My Weird Prompts for a while and you are finding these deep dives helpful, we would really appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your podcast app or on Spotify. It genuinely helps other people find the show and join the conversation.
Corn
Yeah, it really does make a difference. We are here in Jerusalem, trying to make sense of all this, and having a community of curious listeners makes the work feel a lot more meaningful.
Herman
Absolutely. You can find all our past episodes, including our earlier discussions on regional dynamics, at myweirdprompts.com. We have a searchable archive there, so if you want to dig deeper into any of the topics we have touched on today, that is the place to go.
Corn
And thanks again to Daniel for sending in this prompt. It was a tough one, but I think it is one of the most important discussions we have had in a while.
Herman
Definitely. Thanks, Daniel.
Corn
Alright, everyone. This has been My Weird Prompts. I am Corn.
Herman
And I am Herman Poppleberry.
Corn
We will see you next time. Stay curious, and stay safe.
Herman
Until next time.
Corn
We should probably mention that intelligence gathering isn't just about the enemy, right? It is also about understanding yourself. One of the things that conventional armies often struggle with is self-intelligence. Knowing where your own weaknesses are before the enemy finds them.
Herman
That is actually a great point to end on. The professionalization of the enemy often forces a conventional army to look in the mirror and realize they have become complacent. That mirror is often very painful to look into.
Corn
It certainly is. Especially when the reflection shows that you were outplayed by someone you did not take seriously enough.
Herman
A lesson for all of us, I think. Not just in war, but in life.
Corn
True that. Alright, let's wrap this up. I think I need a coffee and some fresh air.
Herman
I am right there with you. Jerusalem is beautiful this time of year, even with everything going on. Let's go take a walk.
Corn
Sounds like a plan. Thanks for listening, everyone.
Herman
Take care.

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.

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